Committee
Criminal Justice Committee 02 October 2024
02 Oct 2024 · S6 · Criminal Justice Committee
Item of business
Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 12 seeks to define a time limit for misconduct proceedings being initiated against former constables. The amendment would mean that regulations would have to provide for a period after which the ability to take action against a former constable would cease to be available. The bill as drafted says only that such a time limit “may” be created. It is essential that proceedings against a former constable cannot be initiated indefinitely. I recognise the importance of being able to conduct proceedings against someone who has ceased to be a constable and that the provisions deal with an important issue, but a particular period must be set in which such proceedings can be initiated. My amendment 13 proposes that the specific time limit is set at 12 months. That seems reasonable and reflects the suggestions in the Scottish Government’s policy memorandum. Amendments 51, 14 and 52 set out criteria that would allow proceedings to commence outwith the time limit to ensure that proceedings could be initiated in appropriate circumstances. The criteria include a public interest test, circumstances in which the investigation leads to the person being placed on the barred list or the advisory list and circumstances in which the behaviour amounts to a criminal offence. Amendment 13 is consequential to amendment 12 and would mean that a time “not exceeding one year” would be set in which proceedings against former constables could commence. Amendment 51 relates to previous amendments. It would set a test for allowing proceedings to begin against someone more than a year after they had ceased to be a constable. The two criteria are a public interest test and if an officer, after being subject to an investigation, with unsatisfactory behaviour being proven, was put on the barred list or the advisory list. That would ensure that proceedings could, when appropriate, continue outside the set time period. Like amendment 51, amendment 14 sets out a criterion that would allow proceedings to commence against someone who had ceased to be a constable. The criterion is that such proceedings would be in the public interest. The amendment would ensure that the proceedings could, when appropriate, continue outside the set time period. Amendment 52 sets out a further exception to the time limit being followed for commencing proceedings against former constables. That exception is that, when the behaviour in question amounts to a criminal offence, proceedings can, when appropriate, continue outside the set time period. Amendment 53 would add to the procedure for conducting misconduct proceedings against officers who left following allegations of misconduct. It seeks to ensure that a constable would be provided with notice that disciplinary proceedings against them would continue if they resigned during proceedings and that, if they did not engage, the proceedings would continue to a conclusion in their absence. The amendment addresses concerns about officers resigning and facing no investigation into their actions, so disciplinary proceedings would proceed and would come to a conclusion in their absence if they chose not to engage, although they would be kept informed of proceedings. Amendment 54 relates to circumstances in which an officer faces both disciplinary and criminal proceedings. First, it would mean that disciplinary proceedings could continue despite criminal proceedings also taking place. It would also mean that evidence and the outcome of the disciplinary proceedings would be kept private until the criminal proceedings had concluded. During our evidence, we heard criticism about delays to disciplinary processes. Amendment 54 seeks to tackle that problem. It would ensure that there were no unnecessary delays in conducting disciplinary proceedings and, subsequently, in dismissing an officer while criminal proceedings were on-going. The amendment would also mean that criminal proceedings were not impacted by the outcome of disciplinary procedures. 10:15
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The Convener (Audrey Nicoll)
SNP
Good morning, and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2024 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have no apologies. Our main item of business is consideration of...
The Convener
SNP
The first group of amendments is on the code of ethics. Amendment 1, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 48, 2, 49, 3, 4 and 50.
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance)
SNP
Good morning. I will first speak to amendments 1 and 2, which will add further sources that the chief constable must refer to when preparing the code. That f...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I will support the Government’s and Sharon Dowey’s amendments, if they are pressed to a vote. I do not intend to press my amendments 48 and 49 to a vote toda...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con)
Con
We intend to support the amendments in the group if they are pressed to a vote. Amendment 4 seeks to add to the list of people who should be consulted on th...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
I seek clarification on the cabinet secretary’s position on Katy Clark’s amendments. The Government’s amendment 1 seeks to adopt, for example, the European c...
Sharon Dowey
Con
No—the position is as the cabinet secretary said. It is not about consulting every person who has had a complaint in the police system but about taking a gro...
Pauline McNeill
Lab
Right. I know that that will be for discussion between you and the cabinet secretary but, when the revised amendment is being framed, I would like it to be c...
The Convener
SNP
I will bring in the cabinet secretary, and Sharon Dowey can come back in if she wants to add anything.
Angela Constance
SNP
I reiterate that I am more than happy to work with Katy Clark and Sharon Dowey in advance of stage 3. On the concerns about the phrase “lesser obligation”, ...
The Convener
SNP
As no other member wants to come in, do you want to add anything else in winding up?
Angela Constance
SNP
No, thank you. I think that I have done my winding up. Amendment 1 agreed to. Amendment 48 not moved. Amendment 2 moved—Angela Constance—and agreed to. ...
The Convener
SNP
We move to group 2, on duty on candour. Amendment 5, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 6 to 11.
Angela Constance
SNP
Amendments 5, 8 and 11 relate to the individual duty of candour inserted into the standards of professional behaviour and the organisational duty added to th...
Sharon Dowey
Con
Amendment 6 adds to the provisions that would introduce a duty of candour to the Police Service of Scotland (Senior Officers) (Conduct) Regulations 2013. The...
Katy Clark
Lab
I support the Scottish Government’s intention to attempt to strengthen and codify the duty of candour. The duty of candour for public officials is a live iss...
The Convener
SNP
There was quite a lot in there. I will bring in Pauline McNeill, before the cabinet secretary responds. 09:30
Pauline McNeill
Lab
Thank you. I am in the same position as Katy Clark, in that I think that the amendments in this group are really important, regardless of how they have been...
The Convener
SNP
If no other members wish to come in, I will bring in the cabinet secretary to wind up.
Angela Constance
SNP
On the types of offences related to misusing public office, there is a live discussion across the UK right now, for various reasons that cut across the Hills...
Pauline McNeill
Lab
There were quite a few points that you did not cover there. The one that I am keen to understand relates to the language around “reasonable assertion”.
Angela Constance
SNP
There are complicated questions in relation to application and scope, so I will probably require a bit of consultation with legal officials and will come bac...
Pauline McNeill
Lab
To be fair, I did not expect you to answer that. It is just that we are going to vote on the matter shortly, so I want to be sure about what “reasonable asse...
Angela Constance
SNP
I do not have anything to add to or subtract from what I have said. Amendment 5 agreed to. Amendment 6 not moved. Amendments 7 and 8 moved—Angela Constanc...
The Convener
SNP
The next group is on the vetting of constables and police staff. Amendment 43, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 44 to 47.
Angela Constance
SNP
The amendments in group 3 respond directly to the recommendation that was made by His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland to ensure that there...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
I am extremely concerned about these amendments. The bill was published on 6 June, and here we are, 12 weeks later, considering a load of amendments from the...
Pauline McNeill
Lab
Like Russell Findlay, I have heard similar concerns. Cabinet secretary, you opened by saying that the committee had asked for these changes, but that is not...
Katy Clark
Lab
I am very sympathetic to what the Scottish Government is trying to do. It is clear that we need to strengthen the vetting processes that existed historically...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
SNP
It is clear that vetting procedures need to be strengthened, and that is what the amendments are trying to do. Going back to Russell Findlay’s comments, I a...