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Sharon Dowey Con Committee
28 Apr 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Good morning. I start by going over a point that was raised at last week’s meeting, when I asked about the decision to continue with the contract with FMEL, rather than going back to the tendering process as was CMAL’s preference at that point. Gill Miller said: “Transport Sc...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
21 Apr 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Good morning, Mr Boyle. Your team has provided a report that, in your words, shows “a multitude of failings”. It is a comprehensive report, even with the lack of available documentary evidence, and has raised an awful lot of concerns and a lot more questions. Once again, the i...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
08 Jun 2023
New Vessels for the Clyde and the Hebrides (Report)
I thank those in the clerking team for the huge amount of work that they have put into compiling the report and I thank Audit Scotland for its input. I also thank members from around the chamber for their contributions today. It is reassuring to know that so many are committed...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
21 Apr 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
In September, FMEL confirmed that it was unable to provide a builder’s refund guarantee, which was a mandatory requirement. Did FMEL give a reason why it could not give that guarantee, and why that had not been mentioned in its bid?
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
28 Apr 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
To touch on something that Mr Coffey mentioned, CMAL issued a design and build contract in November. One month after the minister said that the contract was to proceed, £24.2 million—24.9 per cent or just under a quarter of the total contract value—was given for procurement de...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
28 Apr 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
One of the comments in the evidence from the former management of FMEL is: “Audit Scotland did not consider vessel design or the initial tendering process, which FMEL argue is essential to understanding subsequent delays and cost increases.” What is your response to that?
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
04 Nov 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Morag McNeill from CMAL said that it became aware on 21 August 2015 that FMEL could not provide a guarantee and that the preferred option was to go back to the tendering process. She said that, at the CMAL board meeting on 25 August, “Transport Scotland was clear that the ann...
Sharon Dowey Con Chamber
08 Jun 2023
New Vessels for the Clyde and the Hebrides (Report)
That was covered in the committee’s report. It has been noted that there has been an improvement in the relationships between them, but we obviously need to keep tabs on that. It is fair to say that the report notes some signs of progress. For example, we are encouraged that ...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
21 Apr 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
In September, CMAL advised Transport Scotland of the risks and stated its preference to start the procurement process again. The report states: “Transport Scotland fully appraised Scottish ministers of the significant financial and procurement risks”. In October, Transport S...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
28 Apr 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Paragraph 102 of the report says: “The Turnaround report indicated that it would cost between £110.3 million and £114.3 million to complete the vessels, on top of the £83.25 million CMAL had already paid to FMEL.” That was more than the original cost. Was any scrutiny done t...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
28 Apr 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
My final question is also a long one. The former management of FMEL are critical of the report that was produced by the turnaround director following nationalisation of the Ferguson Marine shipyard. How would you characterise that report and the process by which it was completed?
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
26 May 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
I find it hard to believe that he did not get that confirmation. In a letter to the Cabinet Secretary for Infrastructure, Investment and Cities dated 20 August 2015, various issues are raised. Ministerial approval was “sought by ... 27 August”, which is just seven days after ...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
26 May 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
So, even though all the issues were handed to the ministers, they did not have an in-person meeting to discuss it with the shipbuilding experts. On 8 October 2015, an email was sent to Derek Mackay and Keith Brown. The sender’s name is redacted, as is a list of other people w...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
09 Jun 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Finally, at what stage in the procurement process did the Scottish Government, Transport Scotland and Scottish ministers first become aware that FMEL was unable to offer a full builders refund guarantee?
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
16 Jun 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
You mentioned FMEL’s inability to provide the full refund guarantee even though that was in the invitation to tender. Why did you bid for the contract for 801 and 802 when the invitation to tender said that you had to provide a BRG?
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
30 Jun 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Section 3 of your submission is on “Provision of Refund Guarantees”. In section 3.6, you state that “CMAL had no awareness of, or involvement in, these exchanges.” That was in reference to exchanges between MSPs and so on about the non-provision of the refund guarantee from ...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
30 Jun 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Section 6.9 of your submission states: “CMAL were told that they should not seek a Ministerial direction by the Ministers in relation to contract award of the Vessels to FMEL. However, the Board were sufficiently concerned about the Contracts in all the circumstances instead ...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
30 Jun 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
In some of the further evidence that we got, we spoke to Roy Brannen. He said: “Transport Scotland did not have a role in the contract—it was between CMAL as the buyer and FMEL as the builder. CMAL had to satisfy itself that it was able to enter into that contract and resolve...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
08 Sep 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Good morning, Mr Middleton. The Auditor General for Scotland stated that there is “a mismatch” between Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd’s “strength of feeling about the scale of risk”—Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 28 April 2022; c 41. involved in awarding the contra...
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
08 Sep 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Good morning, Mr Mackay. Was the decision to award the ferry contract to FMEL in any way linked to political calculations or dictated by a political timescale?
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
08 Sep 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
When the contract was awarded, did you know that CMAL had concerns about it being awarded to FMEL? Were you aware of how much concern it had?
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
04 Nov 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Good morning, First Minister. I want to go back to the announcement of the preferred bidder. Can you tell us why you personally announced FMEL as the preferred bidder for the contract and whether that is something that you would normally do?
Sharon Dowey Con Committee
04 Nov 2022
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
I appreciate what you say about the mitigations giving the best contract for FMEL, but I think that CMAL would still have preferred to cancel the contract. The situation has been described as a systematic failure in Government to record crucial information, and there is a lack...
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Committee

Public Audit Committee 28 April 2022

28 Apr 2022 · S6 · Public Audit Committee
Item of business
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Good morning. I start by going over a point that was raised at last week’s meeting, when I asked about the decision to continue with the contract with FMEL, rather than going back to the tendering process as was CMAL’s preference at that point. Gill Miller said: “Transport Scotland submitted a paper to ministers to say that FMEL was the preferred bidder and that the First Minister would be announcing that at a visit to the yard on 31 August 2015.” She went on to say, “we know that the pre-qualification exercise made it clear that the provision of a 100 per cent refund guarantee was mandatory” and “We asked Transport Scotland and the Scottish Government for all documentation relating to the minister’s decision, but we did not receive any.” At that meeting, Antony Clark said: “one would expect the accountable officer in Transport Scotland to share their thoughts, ideas, risks and concerns, and to make proposals to the Scottish ministers, on which ministers can reflect and make a formal decision. As the Auditor General has indicated, one would expect that to be recorded and documented.” Later in the meeting, Mr Boyle, you said: “We do not entirely know whether this is a case of there being no document to support that important decision, or of our having asked for one and of its not being provided.”—Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 21 April 2022; c 26, 28, 27 and 29. The whole scenario gives great cause for concern regarding transparency and secrecy issues in the Scottish Government, and the reasons behind why that critical information has not been recorded. It could appear that, after having announced FMEL as the preferred bidder on 31 August, the First Minister would not have wanted to announce the very next month that the bid was not valid as a result of a builder’s refund guarantee not being given and that the Government was going back to the tendering process. It is not good practice for the concerns of CMAL not to be taken into consideration, and for CMAL to be overruled by Transport Scotland and Scottish ministers, but it is totally unacceptable for the meetings and decisions not to have been recorded. I have two questions. Do you think that there were political motives and pressures from the Scottish Government that led to the failings in the process and the continuation of the contract with FMEL? Would such a decision have been taken by a minister or cabinet secretary, by the First Minister or by the Cabinet as a whole, and who would have been responsible and accountable for recording all the minutes of the meetings and the decisions that came from them?

In the same item of business

The Convener Lab
Item 3 is the continuation of our evidence session with the Auditor General and his team on the report into new vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides. We are pl...
Stephen Boyle (Auditor General for Scotland)
Good morning. Key message 1 in our report draws together our overall conclusion about the availability of documentary evidence for that key part of the decis...
The Convener Lab
Are you saying that that critical piece of evidence does not cover in full the ministerial decision to mitigate the risk?
Stephen Boyle
It is perhaps worth commenting that, since the evidence session last week, the Scottish Government has confirmed that it has been unable to find the relevant...
The Convener Lab
I was going to turn to that next. In the light of the questioning of the First Minister last Friday, a Scottish Government official was reported to have sai...
Stephen Boyle
That is a reasonable connection, convener. Through our work, we request and receive generally all relevant information in respect of important decisions. Thr...
Antony Clark (Audit Scotland)
I will be clear with the committee: we received positive and full co-operation from the Scottish Government when conducting the audit. As the Auditor Gene...
The Convener Lab
Okay, Mr Clark, I will leave the redresses to you or the Auditor General. Did you get an explanation as to why that documentary evidence did not exist? 10:00
Stephen Boyle
We were advised that ministers were content to proceed cognisant of the risks that existed, so I am not sure that we are able to confirm that there was docum...
The Convener Lab
Okay, so we do not know whether the Government is searching for something that exists.
Stephen Boyle
We have probably gone as far as we are able to, convener, and the committee might wish to pursue that line of inquiry directly with the officials involved.
The Convener Lab
Thank you very much indeed. Willie Coffey has a number of questions to put.
Willie Coffey SNP
My questions relate to the application of quality standards in design and construction, Auditor General. As you and members are well aware, that is a common ...
Stephen Boyle
You are right that the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee conducted an extensive review of the circumstances around the procurement, the design arrange...
Willie Coffey SNP
I will ask about the general application of quality standards. That is a recurring theme, as we all know, but in this case, they apply to the shipbuilding in...
Stephen Boyle
I will ask Antony Clark to build on some of the evidence that we gave last week in which we explored the nature of risk and risk transfer in the shipbuilding...
Antony Clark
Before I address that second point, I want to build briefly on the Auditor General’s response to your earlier question whether we found anything new beyond w...
Willie Coffey SNP
I was just coming to that particular issue. Paragraph 50 of the report says that “CMAL could only advise” and not require Ferguson to alter its approach to d...
Antony Clark
I will respond to that question, if that is okay. We are not really in a position to provide a comparator for these two vessels with regard to the number of...
Willie Coffey SNP
This is my last question for the moment. Again, it is on the quality issue, which is crucial and goes to the heart of much of all this. In paragraph 62 of th...
Stephen Boyle
I will address both those points. I go back to the point that Antony Clark made regarding the extent to which we are able to pass judgment on the quality or ...
Willie Coffey SNP
Sorry, Antony—I just want to come in here. Did Ferguson dispute that the cables were too short?
Stephen Boyle
I do not think that we know the detail of that.
Angela Canning (Audit Scotland)
Can I come in here? I think that the issue with the cables has just been discovered more recently by Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) Ltd, and Parliament was u...
Willie Coffey SNP
So it was not noticeable until late on the process that the cables in the vessels were too short.
Angela Canning
My understanding is that that event has more recently come to light as FMPG has been reviewing the work in the shipyards.
Willie Coffey SNP
Okay—thank you.
Antony Clark
I will step back briefly and talk more broadly about the governance arrangements. It is clearly the responsibility of the fabricator to fabricate the ship, b...
Willie Coffey SNP
I know that none of us is an expert in building ships. Nonetheless, Auditor General, do you recognise that some of these issues are recurring themes for the ...
Stephen Boyle
I absolutely recognise the committee’s long-standing interest in the successful delivery of complex infrastructure investment projects. I absolutely agree on...