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Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I begin these stage 3 proceedings by thanking the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and her team for the many conversations that we have had about the bill over a very short period of time. I am grateful for that. We will come on to some of the areas of disagreement a...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The Scottish Greens accept that, in many ways, the situation that we have in Scotland in which, as you outlined, we have such denominational positions, is almost unique. Although denominational schools exist, we need to have very clear mechanisms for ensuring that children and...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Because we are creating new rights, it is important that we monitor how those rights will be used, so that we can know whether young people are made properly aware of them and supported to exercise them.Amendment 8 would ensure that that happens, and I am grateful to the cabin...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
25 Nov 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
While we have religious state schools, the beliefs of a school need to be taken account of by the parents in choosing it. However, many of us would rather have complete separation of church and state in our education system. The Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotl...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
All the amendments in the group are trying to do similar things in reporting on the exercise of rights to withdraw. It is right that we monitor how rights are being used and respected, and I support the intention of all the amendments in the group. My amendment 43 is the mos...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
25 Nov 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This Parliament has taken significant strides in promoting children’s rights. After three years of delay caused by a petty UK Government, last year we enshrined the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child into Scots law. Previously, my Green colleague John Finnie ensured tha...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The child-facing version of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child says:“I have the right to be listened to and taken seriously”.However, the 1980 act allows children to be withdrawn from religious activities in schools without their consent and without their...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Thank you, convener, and good morning to the minister and officials. Thank you for being here this morning and for the conversations that we have had about the bill in recent months. Before I turn to my amendments, I want to briefly outline the approach of the Scottish Greens...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The child-facing version of the UNCRC states: “I have the right to be listened to and taken seriously”. However, the 1980 act allows children to be withdrawn from religious activities in schools without their consent and without their views even being taken into account. Th...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill
I am talking about part 2 of the bill, which is not about religious observance. However, on that point, we believe that there should be separation of church and state. There is nothing in the bill to prevent religious observance by children and young people who wish to take pa...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
15 Mar 2022
Conversion Practices
I am pleased to close the debate on behalf of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. I thank Joe FitzPatrick and all my fellow committee members for their thoughtful work on the issue and for their speeches in the debate. I am grateful to all the witnesses ...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Committee
14 Sep 2021
Petition
I thank the witnesses for coming along this morning; like Pam Duncan-Glancy and Fulton MacGregor, I also signed the end conversion therapy petition during the election campaign. I will pick up on a couple of things that you have said around cultural sensitivities and the defi...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
07 Oct 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning and thank you for joining us. I thank Douglas Hutchison for clearly articulating what I think we have heard from every panel, and probably every individual witness, since we started our scrutiny of the bill, on the distinction between religious observance and reli...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Committee
28 Oct 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials. Thank you for joining us this morning. I have a couple of questions on slightly different but related points. I will stick with part 1 for now. Many stakeholders have said that the bill conflates religious observance with religiou...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 40 has the same aim as my other amendments this morning and the same aim as the original bill had for the rights of children and young people. It would ensure that young people can be heard on any decision that is made by their parents to withdraw them from religious...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
25 Nov 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In closing for the Scottish Greens, I will deal with some of the issues that I did not address in opening. First, I thank my committee colleagues and our clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre and the participation and communities team for thoughtful consideration ...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
My amendments 6 and 11 seek to clarify the terminology and help to modernise the language in the 1980 act. Religious instruction is often considered to be the same as religious observance. My amendments would clarify that by replacing “instruction” with the term “education”, h...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The Scottish Greens are very clear: we believe that children and young people have rights. We also believe that having rights without the power to exercise them is meaningless, so we believe that children and young people should have the power to exercise their rights. Logical...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
In his contribution, Paul O’Kane separated the two things out. Learning about one thing is not the same as practising it, which is what we need to be clear about. It is what young people and their parents have told us that they want clarity about.My amendments in the group, al...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Committee
27 May 2025
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Like Meghan Gallacher, I will fall foul of the request to be brief, in this group at least. However, as one of my amendments is 12 pages long, I think that I can get away with it this once—maybe. A warm, safe home that we can call our own is absolutely essential to our wellbe...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, and thank you for joining us. You may have heard, in the earlier evidence session, quite a lot of discussion about the potential conflict between parents’ rights as primary educators of their children and children’s rights to free expression of their spiritual or...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning to the panel. Thank you very much for joining us and for your contributions so far. It is quite clear from what Caitlin Fitzgerald has said and from Rachel Fox’s comments that there is a need to disaggregate RO and RME. We have heard the same from other witnesses...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
07 Oct 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On the first panel, it was suggested that there has never been a thematic review of religious observance in schools, and certainly not recently, although it may well have been done prior to the 1980 act. Would ADES support or consider a review, given what you have said about t...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I appreciate Paul O’Kane’s comments about his frustration that we are discussing this now—that frustration was clearly expressed during the committee’s stage 1 evidence gathering. During that evidence gathering, it was clear that even representatives from the denominational s...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank the cabinet secretary for her comments. I am sympathetic to some of the intention behind Stephen Kerr’s amendments but, like the cabinet secretary, I do not think that the first two in this group are necessary. I share the cabinet secretary’s concerns about the constr...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
No young person should be forced to pray, and no young person or child should be forced to participate in activities of worship against their will. That is the principle to which the amendments speak. Young people in Scotland’s schools are still compelled to participate in ac...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
There is a certain amount of irony in the bill, given that, although it brings school religious activities into line with the UNCRC, part 2 provides for a very wide exception to convention rights when there is conflict between the convention and existing legislation, and not j...
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Does Paul O’Kane accept that, although we are talking about balancing rights, nothing in any of the amendments restricts parents in seeking to educate their children or take them to religious observance practices that do not happen in the educational setting? This is about wha...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill
I begin by thanking a number of people who have helped us get to this point today. As ever, the legislation team are unsung heroes, expertly drafting amendments, often at very short notice. Without their work, we would not be here. I also thank the clerking and Scottish Parlia...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
07 Sep 2021
Petition
I want to come back on two points. In the counselling and therapeutic space, in psychiatry and psychotherapy, there are already guidelines around not doing conversion therapy. What routes would a ban open up to a survivor of such behaviour that they do not already have availab...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
02 Nov 2021
Petition
When I think about this issue, I see two elements, one of which involves the legislation and the ban. What would you like us to do about the other element, which involves education, training and awareness raising? That will not necessarily make its way into legislation, but if...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Committee
16 Nov 2021
Conversion Therapy (PE1817)
Good morning to all the panellists. You have all, in different ways, expressed concerns about the potential criminalisation of pastoral care, prayer and those kinds of things. The United Nations special rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief has said that there is no conf...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
16 Nov 2021
Conversion Therapy (PE1817)
Before I come to John Greenall, I will add something to the question around the potential impact not only on religious practices or what may be excluded from any ban. I am thinking about medical practitioners in your position in the organisation that you are here to represent....
Maggie Chapman Green Chamber
15 Mar 2022
Conversion Practices
I heard that very clearly. I just noted Dr Allan’s intervention on one of the earlier speeches. We are reassured by what we have heard today, which is that Parliament will work with faith communities and organisations to ensure that, in protecting LGBTQI+ people from conversi...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Mar 2022
Active Travel
I welcome the Scottish Government debate on active travel. I also offer my apologies to members for arriving late and my thanks to the Presiding Officer for giving me dispensation to do so. I am standing in for my colleague Mark Ruskell, who is absent from the Parliament for a...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
03 May 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the Criminal Justice Committee for all the work that went into its scrutiny of and report on the bill. I have followed the committee’s discussions and deliberations with interest. I thank, too, all the people who gave evidence to the committee and those who provided b...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Apr 2024
Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021
It is clear that many Conservatives do not like the idea that victims and survivors of threatening or abusive behaviour on account of disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or age deserve the protection of the law. The Conservatives want to repeal the l...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
05 Sep 2024
United Nations Declaration on Future Generations
I thank Sarah Boyack for bringing the debate to the chamber and for her long-term commitment to this work. It is hard to take a long view in politics. We often talk about the future of the children and young people whom we know and see, but political timescales tend to tip th...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
09 Oct 2024
Bus Travel (Asylum Seekers)
Imagine a bus stop where a line of people is waiting. They are accustomed to waiting. They have all been waiting for more than a year for a decision on their asylum claims and their status as the refugees they know themselves to be. Some will wait for two years and some will w...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Dec 2024
Same-sex Marriage
I thank Emma Roddick for lodging her motion and for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I whole-heartedly agree that the introduction of same-sex marriage in Scotland is a matter for enthusiastic celebration, but I am not sure that a characterisation of the past dec...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I thank Stephen Allison for his comments, which I echo. I was appalled by the situation that Leah Rivka described. That should not happen in any school in any situation. Barbara Coupar, you said that it was interesting and important...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you—that was helpful. I suppose that we are talking about some of the tensions that folk have outlined. If there was strong disagreement between a child and their parent about how they wanted to develop their spirituality, their freedom of expression or their freedom of ...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I put that question to the other witnesses. Given the sensitivities, tensions and potential conflicts that some of you have identified, how will society be able to support children to express their rights, as enshrined in the UNCRC, particularly those in articles 12 and 14?
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thanks very much for that. It is important to note that, just because things are not brought to the surface, it does not mean that they are not rumbling underneath. Some of the examples that you have given highlight the broader issues of stigmatisation, othering and just not f...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is actually my next question. We know that the UN’s Committee on the Rights of the Child has twice in the past seven or eight years strongly recommended that we have an opt-out option. What are your thoughts on that? Claire Benton-Evans, you have made it very clear that ...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
And all the safety issues.
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you—that is clear. Does anybody else want to comment on the opt in, opt out question?
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is a really helpful suggestion. We will take it away and tease it out. I will leave it there, convener.
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Dr Sanchez, you have been quite clear that, in your view, the mandating of RO is the main issue, and that the distinction between RO and RME is important. Fraser, what would your solution be, if not the provisions in the bill? Given the guidance and the statutory obligations...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thanks very much. My final question perhaps follows on from some of Pam Gosal’s questions about consistency and the issues across the board. I hear the views about whether or not we should have RO but, given that we do, how best can headteachers, schools, local authorities and...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You are looking at the statutory enforcement route.
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes, but as long as we have it, would that be the route?
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Okay, that is helpful. Thank you.
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thanks to you both.
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thanks, Angela. That is really helpful. Rachel, I know that you want to comment, and I am happy to bring you in.
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thanks, Rachel. That is really helpful. It is important for us to bear that in mind as we consider the bill. You mentioned the child’s increase in agency and the receding of parental rights as that happens. What mechanism do you envisage will enable that to be supported? Is it...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is helpful. We heard in the earlier sessions this morning about some of the challenges that schools might face in facilitating such discussions. For example, anxiety may be expressed by both parents and children, or by either parents or children, in different situations. ...
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are there things that we can do in legislation to support those conversations and to prevent the stigmatising or othering, or the singling out, of individuals, whether those are the children or the parents?
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is helpful. I saw Angela O’Hagan nodding vehemently as you were speaking. Angela, do you want to come back in on that?
Maggie Chapman Green Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I think that we all ruminate on that in the committee. Do any other witnesses want to comment on those rights questions?
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Meeting of the Parliament 17 February 2026 [Draft]

17 Feb 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
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I begin these stage 3 proceedings by thanking the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and her team for the many conversations that we have had about the bill over a very short period of time. I am grateful for that. We will come on to some of the areas of disagreement and agreement, but I want to put that on record. I am also grateful to my colleagues on the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee and to all the organisations that have contributed so much to the development of amendments and by giving their views on the bill.

I turn to the first group. In giving children and young people the right to withdraw, it is important that we are absolutely clear about the meaning and character of religious education. As a result of stage 2 amendments that I lodged and that were supported, children and young people will have additional rights around withdrawal from religious observance but not religious education. We should not force children and young people into religious observance, which is also understood as worship, but it is equally important that they cannot withdraw from religious education, which is a core part of the curriculum.

As a society that respects those of all faiths or of no faith, and those who are not sure, it is important that children and young people receive education in different faith and non-faith beliefs. It is also important that they receive education to understand the diverse society in which we all live. However, in the bill, the remaining references to religious education use the original terminology of the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 of “religious instruction”, which is an ambiguous phrase that could blur the important distinction between religious education and religious observance. My amendments 6 and 11 are tidying up exercises to avoid that confusion.

Amendment 22 is aimed at facilitating the exercise of the rights in the bill. Parents and pupils cannot meaningfully exercise those rights unless they know when religious observance is happening and what form it will take. Therefore, amendment 22 would require all grant-funded schools, except denominational schools, to inform parents and pupils at least 14 days before any planned religious observance in the school about the format and content of that observance and any alternative learning provision for pupils who are withdrawn. The amendment would also require an assessment of whether the information that is conveyed in any planned religious observance in the school is

“sufficiently objective, critical and pluralistic”.

Amendment 22A would apply that provision to denominational schools as well.

A court judgment recently ruled that the parental right to withdraw from religious observance is a necessary but insufficient mechanism for protecting parents’ and children’s human rights and that the observance must be objective, critical and pluralistic. Amendment 22 would support best practice and ensure that all pupils can take part without compromise to their personal beliefs. In cases in which elements of an RO activity might not meet the criteria that the court specified—that is, if it involves asking pupils to pray, worship, sing hymns or affirm their belief in God—parents and pupils will be empowered to act in line with their conscience.

Turning to the other amendments in the group, amendment 21, which was lodged by Elena Whitham, is in the same vein and would require ministers to clarify what constitutes religious observance. I support that, in the belief that clarity is important.

I am unsure about the need for Paul O’Kane’s amendment 24, and I have a question as to whether it could confuse or potentially prevent certain things later on. If we wished to amend the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 later, how would his amendment interact with that? I would be grateful if the member could address those points now or in his contribution.

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings of the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) B...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Group 1 is on the meaning and character of religious education and observance. Amendment 6, in the name of Maggie Chapman, is grouped with amendments 21, 11,...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I begin these stage 3 proceedings by thanking the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and her team for the many conversations that we have had about t...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will, of course, refer to much of what Maggie Chapman described in my contribution in this group, so I do not intend to detain the chamber in that regard.H...
Maggie Chapman Green
I disagree. RE and RO do not have to be intrinsically linked, even in a denominational school. They might be, but they might not be.
Paul O’Kane Lab
Tomorrow is Ash Wednesday, which is a good example. In Catholic schools across the country, children will learn about Lent. They will learn about it in an ac...
Maggie Chapman Green
In his contribution, Paul O’Kane separated the two things out. Learning about one thing is not the same as practising it, which is what we need to be clear a...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I will restrict my comments to my amendment 21. I also declare an interest as a member of the Humanist Society Scotland.Amendment 21 would place a duty on Sc...
Paul O’Kane Lab
I add my thanks to all those who have been involved in the bill process. Scotland has a long tradition of providing parents and families with the option to s...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
I take Paul O’Kane’s point that the two are interlinked just now. Is he arguing that the two have to be interlinked, or could they be separated?
Paul O’Kane Lab
Mr Mason makes a fair point. I am arguing that the two should be interlinked. My understanding from my own education is that the two things are interlinked f...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I will limit my remarks to amendments 22 and 22A, on requiring schools to provide parents and children with detailed information about planned religious obse...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I will make a short contribution in support of amendment 24, in the name of Paul O’Kane. We are debating legislation on the right of a child to withdraw from...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
As we have heard this afternoon, Maggie Chapman’s amendments 6 and 11 would replace references to “religious instruction” with the term “religious education”...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
I genuinely want the cabinet secretary’s help here, because my decision hinges on what she understands by the word “instruction”, as opposed to what she unde...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I accept Mr Simpson’s question and I recognise some of his concern. There is dubiety on that point from some stakeholders, as I have set out, and I have also...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary is talking about the guidance. What thought has been given to the depth of the guidance? As former teachers, she and I will both have r...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am sure that Mr Whitfield and I both have fond memories of the many in-service training days that we spent as teachers. I draw his attention to amendment 2...
Paul O’Kane Lab
Notwithstanding the cabinet secretary’s technical point about amendment 24, she seems to want to accept it in spirit. Will the Government support that amendm...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I very much appreciate the sentiment behind amendment 24. I make Mr O’Kane aware that I discussed the content of that amendment with the Scottish Catholic Ed...
Paul O’Kane Lab
The cabinet secretary supports amendment 21. Does she also recognise that the Scottish Catholic Education Service has suggested that the proposals that RO sh...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am not sure I would go as far as to recognise all of that critique, but I have discussed some of the challenges with SCES and directly with Barbara Coupar ...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I did not understand what you meant, cabinet secretary, when you spoke about the 1918 act. It is a century old, but it is still the law. It does not really m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
Always through the chair.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
The point that I was making is one that I have discussed with SCES. There is an issue in relation to drafting. I would have preferred it if Mr O’Kane and I h...
Maggie Chapman Green
My amendments 6 and 11 seek to clarify the terminology and help to modernise the language in the 1980 act. Religious instruction is often considered to be th...
Stephen Kerr Con
To be clear, I did not say that it is a mistake. I said that it was a technical issue. I hope that Maggie Chapman accepts that.
Maggie Chapman Green
I think that I heard the word “mistake”, but I accept what Stephen Kerr has now said in his intervention.Amendment 22 would support children’s rights under a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The question is, that amendment 6 be agreed to. Are we agreed?Members: No.