Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
13
Parties on record
2,354,908
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Showing 23 of 2,354,908 contributions. Latest 30 days: 0. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 25 Mar 2026.
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
16 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have three amendments in the group, which relate specifically to plea deals in solemn cases. At stage 2, I lodged some amendments in relation to summary cases, but having listened to the cabinet secretary’s warning about them potentially adding to court delays, I withdrew th...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
22 Dec 2021
Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls
A few weeks ago, my colleague Jamie Greene and I met some of your Crown Office colleagues who prosecute cases in the lower courts to discuss an issue that is not often talked about: plea deals. In one serious domestic violence case that I am familiar with, there were 16 charge...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
26 Jan 2022
Domestic Abuse
I am very pleased to speak in the debate, which has been introduced by Katy Clark. I agree with her motion, with what she said and with the very important points that Paul McLennan made about the deep-rooted nature of some of the crimes and the responsibility of men across soc...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
11 Sep 2025
First Minister’s Question Time · Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill
Liz Shanks campaigns for victims’ rights since her truly horrific domestic violence ordeal, which was featured in a BBC documentary. We agree with her that all crime victims should be told—must be told—when secretive plea deals are struck in criminal cases. To be fair, the Gov...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
22 Dec 2021
Prosecution of Violence against Women and Girls
I am reassured by the commitment from you both that plea deals will be taken only in the public interest and the interests of justice. However, the case that I referenced was not unusual and, from the conversation that I had with your colleagues who prosecute in the lower cour...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
20 Mar 2024
Portfolio Question Time · “Surviving Domestic Abuse”
Plea deals were struck in five out of the seven cases featured in the BBC documentary, with solid charges either watered down or dropped altogether. Will the cabinet secretary consider working with me to amend her victims bill to ensure that, when plea deals are used, victims ...
1. Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
19 Dec 2024
First Minister’s Question Time · Plea Deals
In criminal cases, prosecutors often strike plea deals with defence lawyers. That practice can result in very serious charges being watered down or dropped altogether, even when the evidence is overwhelming, and victims are routinely not told or consulted about that. That is n...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
19 Dec 2024
First Minister’s Question Time · Plea Deals
I want to ask the First Minister about another horrific case involving a plea deal. Royal Air Force veteran Keith Rollinson went out to work as a bus driver but never came home. He was subjected to a frenzied attack by a 15-year-old passenger and died later in hospital. Becaus...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
21 Feb 2023
Victims Awareness Week
This debate marks Victim Support Scotland’s victims awareness week, which runs until Sunday. Over the past couple of years I have learned much about the charity and the valuable work that it does. The evidence from its chief executive Kate Wallace to the Criminal Justice Commi...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
11 Sep 2025
First Minister’s Question Time · Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill
Of course, the engagement is welcome, but it has to be meaningful. Plea deals are not the only part of the bill that does not do what it should. My colleague Liam Kerr has lodged an amendment that would instigate a Scottish grooming gangs inquiry. Although we believe that ther...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
11 Sep 2025
First Minister’s Question Time · Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill
The truth is that the Scottish child abuse inquiry will not look at the grooming gangs, or even at industrial-scale abuse in Scottish football. The bill could give victims real transparency over plea deals and much greater involvement in the parole process, and it could put a ...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
21 Sep 2022
Subordinate Legislation
Churn has been a huge problem in the sheriff courts for decades and I guess that that is what we are talking about. However, is there not a risk that it might financially incentivise a defence lawyer to recommend to their client that they should enter a guilty plea, which migh...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
02 Nov 2022
Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23
Going back to focus on summary cases, you have spoken, Mr McQueen, about the fact that one in 10 police officers cited for summary cases do not give evidence. That is a monumental waste of their time. It takes them away from communities when police budgets, as we heard last we...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
06 Oct 2021
Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23
I would like to ask about Police Scotland’s use of non-disclosure agreements, which, for people who are not aware of them, are used in the payment of compensation deals to keep the details of those pay-outs secret or confidential. It has been reported that the value of such cl...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Feb 2022
Online Pimping
I congratulate Ruth Maguire on securing this important debate, and I am very glad of the opportunity to speak in it. As MSPs, we get bombarded with a vast amount of information from political parties, public and professional bodies, members of the public, pressure groups and ...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
11 May 2022
Violent Crime
Thank you. The cabinet secretary’s amendment references his Government’s vision for justice, which I believe blurs the lines between criminals and victims. That brings me on to how the justice system deals with crimes against women and girls. The cabinet secretary’s amendmen...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
24 May 2023
Priorities in the Justice Sector and an Action Plan
There is a lot in here, and I am sure that colleagues will cover parts that I do not. In respect of the assessment of the new HMP Stirling and the two new community custody units for women, during our visit to the prison yesterday, we were told that the University of Glasgow h...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
08 Nov 2023
Subordinate Legislation
Perhaps. In response to the point that the cabinet secretary made about people’s ideological opposition, I do not think that crime victims are ideologically opposed to such fines. They want to see justice being done and they want transparency. One of the concerns that many of ...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
31 Jan 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Part 2 of the bill deals with trauma-informed practice. The Crown Office is in the process of implementing “Trauma Informed Justice: A Knowledge and Skills Framework for Working with Victims and Witnesses”. That raises the recurring question of whether we need legislation to e...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
07 Feb 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
“Brief questions” is my middle name, convener. Good morning, cabinet secretary. The not proven verdict is likely to be on its way out, but part 4 also deals with jury sizes, as we have heard. In reducing the number of jurors from 15 to 12, we will require eight out of the 12 ...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
04 Sep 2024
Scottish Fire and Rescue Service
It is not just about the money, then—it is about employment rights and different workplace issues. Right now, there are still eight separate deals in place.
Russell Findlay Con Committee
02 Oct 2024
Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I understand that amendment 62 may potentially seem to be out of place in the bill, but we have been told by the Scottish Government, the SPA and Police Scotland that Scotland’s police officers are finally about to start being required to wear body-worn cameras as standard. It...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
09 Jan 2025
First Minister’s Question Time · Budget 2025-26
At least that means that John Swinney will not have to strike any damaging deals with the Greens, as he has so often done in the past. Can he now rule out any new taxes or extremist policies that the Greens demand?
← Back to list
Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 16 September 2025

16 Sep 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

I have three amendments in the group, which relate specifically to plea deals in solemn cases. At stage 2, I lodged some amendments in relation to summary cases, but having listened to the cabinet secretary’s warning about them potentially adding to court delays, I withdrew them. It is perhaps interesting to note that the ratio of summary to solemn proceedings in court is approximately six to one, so there are far more summary cases than there are solemn ones.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with plea deals. For years, they have been used very effectively by prosecutors in the conduct of their business. They can spare victims and witnesses from giving testimony. They can save the courts time and money, and they can incentivise early guilty pleas for the benefit of everyone involved. However, far too often, such deals are taken in secret, and some very concerning decisions have been made.

In one particular case, it took four years for a serial domestic abuser to be found guilty after he used every dirty trick in the book to evade justice. Having done so, he was still offered a favourable plea deal, which meant that some charges were dropped altogether, despite an abundance of evidence, and other charges were diluted to remove their worst elements. That is commonplace—it is happening in courts across Scotland, and it happens every single week.

Another case that springs to mind is that of Liz Shanks, who has campaigned on plea deal transparency ever since her own case of domestic violence went through the courts. She discovered only after the event that a deal had been struck. Again, the deal favoured the accused, who was able to see certain charges dropped despite an abundance of evidence—in this case, closed-circuit television evidence—against him.

In both those cases and in many others, the victims found out that there had been plea deals only because there happened to be journalists in court. As I said at the outset, such things happen every single day of the week.

After some discussion prior to the recess, I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving me amendment 38 as a hand-out. It proposes to give victims in solemn cases the right to opt in to receive information about plea deals. The Scottish Government says that that approach is trauma informed. The cabinet secretary has already used that term today, but I still do not understand what it actually means. I think that that approach could be improved. Given that victims are entitled to know the outcome of their case—whether it be a conviction or an acquittal—why on earth would sharing the details of a plea deal somehow cause further trauma? Surely victims are entitled to that basic level of transparency.

Amendment 38 almost gets there, but it perhaps risks giving an illusion of transparency and could actually make things worse for victims. I say that because, at a meeting to discuss the issue, the Lord Advocate told me that all victims are already told about deals, even though we know from the abundance of evidence in the public domain that that does not routinely happen. If that should happen but does not currently, how would amendment 38 change the position? The fundamental problem with amendment 38 relates to how a victim would know that they had the right to opt in. The short answer to that is that they just would not know.

We can look at some of the opt-in models that have been used in the justice system in recent years. For example, after the mass release of prisoners, only something like 2 or 3 per cent of people opted in to find out whether the person who had caused them harm had been set free prematurely. We know that opt-in models do not work, which is why we need amendment 63 or amendment 102.

Amendment 63 is my preferred option. It would mean that all victims in solemn cases would be told about plea deals. That amounts to basic transparency—it is simple common sense. Amendment 102 represents a bit of a halfway house between the Scottish Government’s opt-in model and my full disclosure model. It would mean that victims would have to opt out of being told about plea deals. I would still have reservations about any system that was reliant on Crown Office communication, given the strains that it is under, which is why amendment 63 is by far and away the best option. In all the decades that I have been working with victims during my time in journalism and in politics, I have yet to meet a victim who has said that they want less information about their case, which is what the Government’s hand-out option—amendment 38—would, in effect, amount to.

Scottish Women’s Aid supports amendment 102, and Victim Support Scotland supports all three of my amendments.

If members will indulge me, I will end with a quote from Liz Shanks, who has fought so hard for transparency. She said:

“They’re pretending to listen. They just want to be seen to be doing the right thing—but not doing what’s actually needed. Crime victims are not being listened to. They’re being let down every single day ... and they will be badly let down by this bill which could have done so much more.”

I find it hard to disagree with her, not least in respect of the plea deal amendments. Let us, please, show Liz and all the other victims out there that we are, in fact, listening by getting these critical amendments across the line.

I move amendment 38.

15:30  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings for the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members shou...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on the victims charter. Amendment 4, in the name of Jamie Greene, is grouped with amendments 5, 9 and 28.
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
I take the opportunity to quickly thank, at the start of today’s debate, the Parliament’s clerks, who have assisted a number of back benchers and Opposition ...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The broad thrust of Jamie Greene’s amendments is reasonable and I am inclined to support them, although I note that an awful lot of what is in the proposed v...
Jamie Greene LD
I thank Mr Kerr for his comments and for his—as always—constructive and helpful feedback, which he has shared throughout our negotiations on the bill. The f...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
I am conscious that we have more than 160 amendments to get through today, so I will leave my thanks to everyone who has contributed to the bill until later ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Jamie Greene to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 4.
Jamie Greene LD
I have no further comments to make. I press amendment 4. Amendment 4 agreed to. Amendment 5 moved—Jamie Greene—and agreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 2 is entitled “Victims and Witnesses Commissioner: functions and definition of victim”. Amendment 59, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped ...
Angela Constance SNP
I will deal first with amendments 59, 60 and 61, which provide a revised and broader definition of “victim” for the purposes of the work of the victims and w...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 3 comprises minor and technical amendments. Amendment 6, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 7, 10 to 16, 18, 20, 22, 23, ...
Angela Constance SNP
The amendments in group 3 will change the term “criminal justice agency” or “criminal justice agencies” to “criminal justice body” or “criminal justice bodie...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Just to confirm, cabinet secretary, do you wish to add any further comments to wind up?
Angela Constance SNP
I have nothing to add. Amendment 6 agreed to. Amendment 7 moved—Angela Constance—and agreed to. Section 8—Restriction on exercise of functions Amendment ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 4 is entitled “Victims and Witnesses Commissioner: power to gather information”. Amendment 17, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with am...
Angela Constance SNP
I begin with amendments 17 and 19, which are in my name. Provisions in the bill relate to the information-gathering powers of the victims and witnesses commi...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
My amendment 96 would give the victims commissioner the power to request information from local authorities and social housing providers for the purpose of d...
Angela Constance SNP
I stress to members that these amendments are new to stage 3. Unfortunately, I did not hear Ms Dowey make any reference to consultation with either social ho...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Angela Constance SNP
In a moment. As I said in my opening statement, in exercising their duties under the act, the victims and witnesses commissioner can, of course, engage with...
Liam Kerr Con
On the point that the cabinet secretary made about the amendments being new to stage 3, can we take it that any amendments that are newly introduced at stage...
Angela Constance SNP
That will depend on the consultation and engagement that has taken place. With respect to Ms Dowey’s amendments, I repeat that I did not hear her make any r...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Does any member object to a single question being put on amendments 18 to 21?
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I object in relation to amendment 21.
The Presiding Officer NPA
That being the case, we will put questions on each amendment individually. Amendments 18 to 20 agreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 21 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. As this is the first division of the stage, I will suspend for about five minutes to allow members to access the digital voting sy...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We will proceed with the division on amendment 21. The vote is closed.
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app did not connect. I would have voted yes.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Ms Gilruth. We will ensure that that is recorded.