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Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
16 Mar 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In the nine months since the bill was introduced to Parliament, the Criminal Justice Committee has consumed many thousands of words, written and spoken. There has been lengthy and often conflicting testimony from 26 witnesses, and there have been 32 published responses and 13 ...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
29 Jun 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill
I usually take interventions but, with so much to cover in five minutes, I will not have the time to do so. I begin by thanking the Criminal Justice Committee clerks, the bill team and those who gave evidence to the committee. Although fireworks are the source of great enjoym...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
21 Dec 2022
Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Today is the shortest day of the year, but it perhaps feels like the longest, so I will try not to make it any longer. I will begin by explaining what I had hoped to do through amendments in this group, which is largely about future scrutiny of the bill. Last year, a UK Gover...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
15 Nov 2022
Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Let us start with what should be a statement of the obvious: my opposition to the bill as it stands has nothing to do with the rights of those who identify as transgender. The eight amendments in my name are not directed towards trans people. They are to do with criminals—male...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
23 Apr 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the Criminal Justice Committee team for their assistance and not least for the unseen work of the eternally patient researchers and clerks. Committee members rely on witnesses sharing their insights, experiences and expertise, and particular recognition should be given...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Sep 2024
Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I, too, thank the committee clerks for the incredible work that they do on our behalf. Scotland’s police officers are true heroes. They serve the public with great care, professionalism and integrity. Their shift patterns are tough on work-life balance and the hours are long,...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
21 Nov 2024
Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I could not agree more. Although it was before my time, my understanding of that parliamentary process is that it took—in its entirety, from the lodging of that bill to its passing—the best part of 12 months. However, the current Government expects us to apply minimum parliame...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
03 May 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I used to think of law making as painstaking and precise—a meticulous process of gathering evidence, weighing up differing views, seeking legal direction and assessing existing legislation—but my perceptions have gone up in smoke in the past few weeks. As a member of the Crim...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
25 Oct 2022
Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
At the outset, I should declare an interest—or perhaps a non-interest: despite being an urban creature who is most comfortable when surrounded by concrete and fumes, I sometimes pass through the clean air of the countryside, and have even been known to visit it, on occasion. W...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
20 Dec 2022
Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I disagree with Alex Cole-Hamilton. It is not just a piece of paper. It fundamentally changes many aspects of society, which I will come on to address. The proposed new system is radical—some might even say that it is experimental—when anyone can simply declare that they have...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have one amendment in this group: amendment 2—a small number but a big amendment, as it would completely remove section 5 from the bill. To reiterate what my colleague Jamie Greene has just said, the bill as drafted will allow judges to deduct time off a prisoner’s sentence...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
07 Feb 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I know that we have moved on from the previous part of the bill, but I found Alastair Bowden's testimony to be quite staggering in respect of his explanation for not having data on how juries are split. The bill that is in front of us will fundamentally alter juries, yet we do...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
23 Apr 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the member for her intervention and have dialled down my flamboyance for her today. I agree. The member speaks to a point that is a recurring theme, which is that much of what could be done can be done without legislation. The not proven verdict came into being entir...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
23 May 2024
Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
All of us here today want the same thing, which is to deliver the most effective Scottish legislation for Scottish victims of the Post Office Horizon scandal. I am grateful to have had the opportunity to work with colleagues from other parties to try to find some common ground...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
23 Jun 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am here today with an exciting selection box of amendments. I hope that there are no damp squibs and, certainly, no rubbish. I heard what Pauline McNeill had to say about the costs of licences with her amendment 70. My amendment 71 is similar, but does not go quite so far. ...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
25 Oct 2022
Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sure that those stakeholders will be reassured by the minister’s comments. Let us hope that what she said comes to pass. Another issue with the bill that interests me relates to its enforcement, which will fall to Police Scotland. We ask so much of our police officers,...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
22 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill
I begin by thanking everyone who gave such insightful and informative evidence to the Criminal Justice Committee, and I also thank our team of clerks for their hard work. An essential role of the Government, the Parliament and, indeed, us as members is to prioritise the safe...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have five amendments in this group—7, 13, 14, 8 and 3—and they all relate to section 7 of the bill, which allows Scottish ministers to release prisoners on licence even when the Parole Board has not recommended that they do so. Scottish ministers could exercise that power be...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
24 Apr 2024
Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will speak to amendment 41 in my name and the 28 consequential amendments. The amendment was lodged in consultation with Victim Support Scotland. Although the bill will make significant changes to Scotland’s criminal justice system, Parliament decided that the Education, Chi...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
22 Dec 2022
Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill
I begin by sincerely thanking the parliamentary staff for working long antisocial hours at short notice in this Christmas week, not least those who do not get extra pay but who get off time off in lieu. I respect the fact that others in the chamber might not agree with me, as...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
17 May 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Section 9 relates to the planning for a prisoner’s release. I have four amendments in the group—95, 96, 97 and 98—which seek to ensure that victims’ voices are heard, their rights are respected and their wellbeing is paramount. I am sure that we can all agree with those aims. ...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 10 is one of three amendments in the group. Amendments 11 and 12 are the substantive amendments while amendment 10 is consequential on amendment 11. The bill seeks to extend the days on which prisoners may not be released. It is already the case that prisoners may n...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
17 May 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
My three amendments in this group—68, 69 and 71—relate to the days on which prisoners can be released, although amendment 71, which I will come to last, serves a slightly different purpose to amendments 68 and 69. The practice of limiting release days already exists by virtue...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
06 Mar 2024
Criminal Justice Bill
I understand Pauline McNeill’s concerns, and I have a few other points to make. The UK Criminal Justice Bill is substantial. There are 79 clauses in the bill as introduced, and the Scottish Government is asking us to consent to six of them—clauses 1 to 4, 14 and 21. They rela...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
23 May 2024
Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 20 seems straightforward—famous last words. If ministers seek information as part of the process of attempting to overturn a Horizon conviction, the bill makes it a legal requirement for anyone who is subject to such a request to comply. However, the bill does not c...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
30 May 2024
Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Bill
What we saw in the Scottish Parliament yesterday represented the worst kind of politics: entitlement and double standards taking priority over respect for the rules and for the public. Today, with this expedited legislation, we see a better side of what the Parliament can do. ...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
02 Oct 2024
Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I understand that amendment 62 may potentially seem to be out of place in the bill, but we have been told by the Scottish Government, the SPA and Police Scotland that Scotland’s police officers are finally about to start being required to wear body-worn cameras as standard. It...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
25 May 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have no doubt that the minister will put me right on this, but my understanding is that those disposals would be available under the bill as it stands. We will hear from the minister on that point. On the specific proposal for sentences of potentially up to 12 months, I poi...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
25 Oct 2022
Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Indeed, Lord Bonomy said that. As I will come on to, I am illustrating the other voices that feel that perhaps they have not been heard properly, as they should have been. It seems that some people who oppose the bill feel they are not being heard, or worse, that the Governmen...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
21 Dec 2022
Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill
I agree with Collette Stevenson that this is, indeed, about justice for victims, but I disagree with Rona Mackay, who is fundamentally more opposed to the bill in principle. It is worth bearing in mind that the intent behind the bill is to achieve justice and answers for thos...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
09 May 2023
Trauma-informed Justice for Victims and Witnesses
The Scottish Government loves to talk the talk when it comes to putting victims and witnesses at the heart of the justice system. It tells us that public protection is paramount, yet police officer numbers are at their lowest for 15 years. The Government insists that our offic...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
10 May 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have two amendments in the group—amendments 57 and 59. I would probably have had more, but Katy Clark was quicker off the mark than I was. I thank Victim Support Scotland for its assistance in helping with the amendments. I would like to take the discussion back to what sec...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendments 5 and 6 are the only two amendments in this group. As drafted, the bill requires the court to record bail determinations when it refuses bail. That is one-sided and does not consider the interests of victims or the wider public. A recurring theme in the justice sys...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
28 Jun 2023
Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill
I thank Edward Mountain for his intervention. I know that, as a former soldier, he knows more than most the extent of the troubles and the horrors that they involved. That is indeed the sentiment behind the Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill. It is abo...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
04 Oct 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have a huge amount of ground to cover but, due to the time limits, I will just ask one question, which is specifically about floating trial diets for sexual offence cases. Rape Crisis Scotland’s evidence says that the bill needs to include a specific “commitment to dispens...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
15 Nov 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have a continuation of the line of questioning from my colleague Sharon Dowey. Police Scotland and the Crown Office have both written to the Finance and Public Administration Committee with concerns about the bill’s financial memorandum, and the finance committee’s convener ...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
15 Nov 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In its written evidence to the committee, NHS Education for Scotland says that the bill’s definition of trauma-informed practice should align with its five-point definition, which was published this year. However, the bill does not include two of those five points. NHS Educati...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
15 Nov 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
When you were here seven weeks ago, I asked about the requirement for judges to be trauma-informed, but the bill says that it will be up to the Lord President to decide exactly what that will look like. If the bill is going to great time and effort to implement trauma-informed...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
25 Apr 2024
Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am sorry, but I have only four minutes. If I have time, I will come back to the member. The focus of the bill is on the rights, interests and welfare of young people in the criminal justice system. No one wants to unduly criminalise young people who commit youthful misdeeds...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
21 May 2024
Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I absolutely share Fergus Ewing’s incredulity at that statement. After that 2013 meeting, at least four more people were prosecuted and convicted. It was not until two years later, in 2015, that the Crown decided that it would no longer prosecute Horizon cases due to mounting...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
23 May 2024
Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Another issue that the bill seeks to address is protection for police whistleblowers. We have heard about horrific cases, and there have been cases reported in the public domain, of the service losing good officers and good officers losing their careers. That is a huge financi...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
22 May 2024
Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Section 6 of the bill will allow for the continuation of gross misconduct proceedings once an officer retires or resigns. In response to that, your submission says that, when that happens, it should be subject to a public interest test, which obviously makes sense—it should no...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
29 May 2024
Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
His Majesty’s chief inspector of constabulary told the committee that he would like the bill to include a provision whereby a chief constable would be able to sack officers, following due process. He said that he has been in discussion with the bill team for more than a year. ...
1. Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
11 Sep 2025
First Minister’s Question Time · Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill
Next week, members of the Scottish Parliament will vote on the Government’s Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill. During my time here, I have tried to help crime victims whose suffering is far too often compounded by a justice system that is slow, secretive a...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
25 Mar 2026
Motion of Thanks
Thank you, Presiding Officers, in the plural. Unlike at First Minister’s question time today, all you will hear from me just now are warm words in a soothing tone.I begin by thanking you, Presiding Officer, and your colleagues Annabelle Ewing and Liam McArthur. Your job is dif...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
21 Mar 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My question is for Chief Inspector Robison. As we know, pyrotechnics have become increasingly common in places such as football grounds in recent years. The Scottish Police Federation describes the way in which the bill is drafted as “convoluted”. Specifically, the federation ...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
31 Mar 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I begin by paying tribute to the former miners who are here today, and whom I had the pleasure of meeting this morning. One of them is Gerry Farrell, who worked in Lanarkshire and Fife and was fortunate not to have been convicted during the strike. He told of one close call wh...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
30 Mar 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Secondly, on your observation that we might be able to ban fireworks if Scotland was independent, I do not know if that is what you are seriously proposing. Going back to the licensing question, we heard evidence from a responsible fireworks shop owner, Norman Donald. He said...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
30 Mar 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Scottish Police Federation has given evidence to the effect that the good intent behind the bill might be undermined by what it calls “bad legislation”, given the current drafting. One of its specific concerns is on pyrotechnics and their increased use at football matches ...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
25 May 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 70 sits alongside my amendments 71 to 74 and 77. Its aim boils down to the nature of the convictions that would need to be disclosed by an applicant and considered in the granting of a licence. What the bill does just now in that regard is—fairly inexplicably, in my ...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
23 Jun 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Now for the grand finale—I warn all members to stand well back. At stage 2, I made numerous attempts to increase the criminal penalties that are contained in the bill. Put simply, we sought to increase the maximum prison sentences from six months to 12 months and fines from £...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
07 Dec 2022
Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill
No problem. This question is for the cabinet secretary. We have heard your concerns in writing and verbally. Pauline McNeill asked a version of this question. Do you agree with the sentiment behind what is intended by the bill, which is to find truth and justice for many of t...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
07 Dec 2022
Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill
There is probably universal agreement that truth and justice are paramount, and we should not lose sight of the fact that that is the intent behind the bill. So many families have still not got answers after so many decades. I was reassured that the cabinet secretary agrees wi...
Russell Findlay Con Chamber
22 Dec 2022
Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill
I am sorry, but I do not have the time. What about the interconnection between public bodies with distinct national and regional identities, such as the police, the prisons and the national health service? Our scrutiny of the bill has barely even touched those profound questi...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
11 Jan 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My first question relates to bail. As we know, judges make the decision about whether someone should be remanded. The judiciary have expressed some opposition to the bill. They seem to be downright hostile to it, but it is difficult for us to interpret that, because they have ...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
18 Jan 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning. I have two questions. We have touched on some elements of them already. The first relates to part 1 of the bill and the grounds on which bail can be refused being narrowed to two particular criteria: one relates to the significant risk of prejudice to the interes...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
25 Jan 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is worth getting on the record that we have been asked not to ask certain questions about a particular case that is being reported on today because we are discussing the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill. I will therefore ask about that. So far, we have heard ...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
31 Jan 2023
Business Motion
I begin by expressing my disappointment at Nicola Sturgeon’s refusal to be here today. She presided over gender self-identification in Scotland’s prisons. She invalidated women’s concerns about single-sex spaces being compromised. She created the obscene situation in which a d...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
01 Feb 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The bill will stop the release of prisoners on a Friday or, indeed, on the cusp of a bank holiday period so that they are provided with the support that they need in order not to reoffend or find themselves in dire straits. There are some pretty tragic cases—not least the 201...
Russell Findlay Con Committee
01 Feb 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My final question is about bail. One of the inevitable consequences—indeed, the intended consequence—of the bill is that there will be more people on bail and, therefore, greater reliance on supervised bail, using measures such as electronic monitoring. We heard evidence from ...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 16 March 2023

16 Mar 2023 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

In the nine months since the bill was introduced to Parliament, the Criminal Justice Committee has consumed many thousands of words, written and spoken. There has been lengthy and often conflicting testimony from 26 witnesses, and there have been 32 published responses and 13 letters. Ten days ago, we published our 50-page stage 1 report. I thank the clerks, who do so much hard graft, which is often unseen.

Despite that vast volume of material, the committee has often struggled to get specific information that we needed and straight answers to our questions. Like others, I have found that incredibly frustrating. As MSPs, we are required to analyse, assess and stress test legislation, but we are restricted in getting basic facts.

In our stage 1 report, every single committee member—including SNP members—stated:

“we have faced challenges in obtaining accurate and clear information on the reasons for remand and the characteristics of Scotland’s remand population.”

What kind of way is that to legislate?

We have been here before with flawed and rushed legislation. However, putting aside my wider concerns about how the Parliament functions, I have serious worries about the bill, which are far too many to cover in my few minutes today.

One concern is about sentencing in relation to time spent on bail while subject to electronic monitoring. The bill says that two days of electronically monitored bail will be the equivalent of one day already served. That means that judges would be expected to deduct that bail time from whatever sentence they impose. That is quite different from the existing practice of judges in taking into account time served on remand when sentencing. Once the law says that the time in which a person sits in the comfort of their own home with an electronic tag on their ankle is the same as jail time, what might happen? I believe that every criminal in Scotland will find reasons to delay their trial, knowing that every two days in the house counts for one day off any eventual jail time. Churn already blights our courts—that change may fuel it. It risks worsening the chronic court backlogs. I believe that it will also further betray victims and erode public trust in what is often smoke-and-mirrors sentencing and what that actually means.

Many other valid points have already been articulated by my colleagues Jeremy Balfour and Donald Cameron. Jamie Greene spoke about the concerns of victims groups and the judiciary. Those who represent front-line police officers say that the bill would be

“unwelcomed by communities plagued by repeat offenders”.

I will address a contribution from a key supporter of the bill. The penal reform charity the Howard League Scotland has said that the bill is

“an opportunity to challenge the entrenched practices of some members of the judiciary who appear to accept the Crown’s opposition to bail applications too readily”.

It added:

“We would suggest that significant cultural change—particularly amongst some parts of the Crown and judiciary—will be required for these changes to take effect”.

I asked the Howard League Scotland representative to expand on that. It turned out that he was, in fact, as a part-time sheriff, a member of Scotland’s judiciary. However, to be frank, I am still no clearer about what was meant. The suggestion seems to be that m’learned friends are some sort of out-of-touch, regressive dinosaurs, even if those who believe that are unwilling or unable to offer any evidence to back it up.

The same witness also used a phrase that I think goes to the nub of what this bill is really about: “risk appetite”. Radical changes to bail and a reduction in imprisonment will come at a likely cost to communities, which is more crime, more victims and more misery. Do the people of Scotland share that risk appetite? I do not think that they do and I do not think that they should.

That brings me on to the issue of cost, which was described by one witness as

“an elephant in the room”.—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 14 December 2022; c 6.]

Stretched criminal justice social workers will be burdened with even more work. The bill’s financial memorandum can be summarised as saying, in effect, “Don’t worry, it won’t cost much,” yet witnesses warn that the Government has significantly underestimated the costs. COSLA calls for a “detailed financial assessment” of the impact on councils before the bill is enacted. Daniel Johnson made those points about cost very well.

We do not even know whether criminal justice social work will form part of the proposed new national care service. Kevin Stewart admitted to the committee that he is spending £80,000 of taxpayers’ money on a private contractor to answer that question and, depending on who the SNP members decide will be the next First Minister, there might not even be an NCS.

There are many more concerns, which are for another day. However, to conclude, we do not have the information that we need; we do not know the intended purpose of the bill; we do not know what problems it seems to be trying to fix; and, whatever those problems are, we do not know how they can be quantified or fixed. Some people say that the bill is game changing; others say that it will change nothing. Some say that it will help to ease the court backlog; some say that it will make it even worse. We do not know how much it might end up costing taxpayers. This Government likes to talk about what it calls “smart justice” but there is absolutely nothing smart about this half-baked approach to law-making. Social experimentation, flying blind, tinkering—call it what you want—it speaks to a Government that is out of ideas and out of touch.

I note that Labour will abstain today, despite one of its two committee members opposing the general principles of the bill. Our party cannot support the bill but we commit to working constructively to improve it.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-08220, in the name of Keith Brown, on the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I ask...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP
I am pleased to open this debate on the general principles of the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Criminal Justice Committee for i...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The cabinet secretary is right. However, that proportion is not just historically high in Scotland but in comparison with other countries. He is right that w...
Keith Brown SNP
Daniel Johnson is absolutely right, and I have made that point a number of times, including to the committee. Why is it higher in Scotland? What is going on ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Audrey Nicoll to speak on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee. 15:06
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to open the stage 1 debate on the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill on behalf of the Criminal Justice Committee. I thank the committ...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to open for the Conservatives in this afternoon’s debate on the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill. I thank my committee colleagues, ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
My intervention is a bit of an echo of the point that Daniel Johnson made when he intervened on the cabinet secretary. I was a member of the Justice Committe...
Jamie Greene Con
It is not just a reflection of the backlog; it has been exacerbated by the backlog over recent years. I am about to come on to the question of what underpins...
Keith Brown SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie Greene Con
I do not have time; perhaps the cabinet secretary could respond to that point when he sums up. Whichever way it is spun, the bill narrows the parameters wit...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open this debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. As the cabinet secretary said, the backdrop to the debate is the fact that Scotland has the hi...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I will start with an apology. I have to leave the debate early in order to fly home for the Orkney youth awards. I am not anticipating picking up an award bu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate. I advise members that there is a bit of time in hand, so there will be around six minutes for back-bench speeches. 15:38
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate as a member of the Criminal Justice Committee and, as the convener has done, I place on record my thanks to all the peopl...
Liam McArthur LD
As I said, the additional input from criminal justice social work can only be beneficial, but it has a resource implication, and the timing of providing that...
Fulton MacGregor SNP
Mr McArthur must have joined the cabinet secretary in having a look at my speech beforehand, because I am just coming to that. As I was saying, that require...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests as a member of the Faculty of Advocates. I thank the committee for its stage 1 report, whi...
Keith Brown SNP
I understand the point that Donald Cameron is making about increasing crime. Does he recognise that we have perhaps the lowest level of crime since we starte...
Donald Cameron Con
I recognise the statistic that the cabinet secretary has given but, at the same time, that does not mean that we should enact provisions that might lead to a...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Donald Cameron Con
I would love to take an intervention from Mr Johnson, but I do not have time, because I have only five minutes. The backlog is objectionable because it will...
Collette Stevenson (East Kilbride) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for bringing this stage 1 debate to Parliament today. As others in the chamber have done, I thank the witnesses who ha...
Jamie Greene Con
Collette Stevenson will have noted that the summary of the discussion by the committee was that, although that might be a welcome element in sentencing, ther...
Collette Stevenson SNP
I whole-heartedly agree. There was also some discussion about the formula that is currently used. I agree with Jamie Greene about decisions being left to the...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank the committee for its work on the bill. I have never been on the Criminal Justice Committee, so I have found it interesting to take part in thi...
Audrey Nicoll SNP
On the definition of “public safety”, I agree that most, or probably all, members of the committee scrutinised that issue. I just point out that my recollect...
Carol Mochan Lab
Obviously, I defer to Audrey Nicoll’s understanding of the bill and her experience in the matter but, looking in, it appears to me that it will be confusing ...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
Around 7,300 people are imprisoned in Scotland every year. Scotland’s incarceration rate per 100,000 of population is 135, compared with 66 in the Netherland...
Katy Clark Lab
Like me, Rona Mackay is a member of the Criminal Justice Committee, where we have grappled with the bill over many weeks. Does she think that it is more like...