Committee
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 24 January 2023
24 Jan 2023 · S6 · Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Item of business
Food Standards Scotland
When I went to the Royal Highland Show, some of the producers told me that, through their work, they can tell exactly what is in the mince and where it has come from, which is quite incredible. I am not sure whether you will be able answer my last question, but I want to ask it. Along with food safety, food security is important. With the war in Ukraine and possible future conflicts on the horizon, I am incredibly concerned about whether we can ensure food security in Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom. Is that an area that you are working on? Can you ensure that food security?
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The Convener
SNP
Welcome back. The fourth item on our agenda is an evidence session with Food Standards Scotland. I welcome Heather Kelman, who is its chair, and Geoff Ogle, ...
Heather Kelman (Food Standards Scotland)
I will make just a short statement. Thank you. Good morning, convener and members of the committee. Geoff and I welcome the opportunity to represent Food St...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you very much, Heather. A lot of our members want to speak to you about EU exit in detail and how that is impacting on the standards of, and access to,...
Heather Kelman
I agree that it has been a challenging year, especially coming straight off the back of Covid. Geoff Ogle will talk about some of the work that has arisen fr...
The Convener
SNP
It is interesting that high-sugar, high-fat and salty foods are not being impacted as much as fresh food. It does not take a genius to work out that a family...
Heather Kelman
There is an impact on the health of children, and on the health of elderly people as well, because the energy-to-nutrient balance requirement changes again a...
The Convener
SNP
You have pre-empted what I was going to ask. Big retailers have a big part to play in this. With the cost of living crisis, high energy costs and the other ...
Heather Kelman
We have no evidence of that yet, but it is early days. We have done a survey on how consumers’ eating trends are, as a consequence, changing. We are seeing t...
The Convener
SNP
We will not know until it has happened. Geoff—you want to come in.
Geoff Ogle (Food Standards Scotland)
I have a couple of quick points to make. Every six months, we do a consumer tracker survey. Wave 15 was in July last year, and we are just going through the ...
The Convener
SNP
Of course, a lot of those foods do not need to be cooked, and people might be unable to afford to put on their gas or electricity. Geoff, before I allow my ...
Geoff Ogle
I worked with the retail sector quite a lot on preparations for EU exit and during Covid. The industry across the piece had a fair amount of resilience, plan...
The Convener
SNP
That is another thing that we see, to a certain extent, with energy prices. The trading prices of energy come down a bit, but that is not passed on to the co...
Geoff Ogle
It is easier to bring prices down in some areas than it is in others. Many large organisations, in particular, will hedge their costs. The costs are fixed in...
The Convener
SNP
You mentioned the Covid pandemic. Supermarkets were recording record profits at that time. Is that still the case? Are the major supermarkets still making th...
Geoff Ogle
I have also had discussions with the retailers on that. It is an interesting thing. I am not here to defend retailers, by the way. I want to put that on the ...
The Convener
SNP
Yes; it is a fundamental question. I will pass on to my colleagues; I have hogged the mic for long enough.
David Torrance
SNP
Good morning. What impact has Brexit had on your work on risk management and oversight functions?
Heather Kelman
I will pass that question to Geoff Ogle.
Geoff Ogle
Thanks. EU exit has had a major impact on us. If you look at the legal base, you will see that the extent of EU-derived food law is significant. Around 200 S...
David Torrance
SNP
What benefits have emerged from collaboration between the FSS and the Food Standards Agency, as set out in the 2020 memorandum of understanding? How well is ...
Geoff Ogle
Our relationship with the FSA is pretty good and solid, partly because, before Food Standards Scotland came into being, we were Food Standards Agency Scotlan...
David Torrance
SNP
In light of evidence as at December 2022, only one of the 32 common frameworks has been finalised. What risks are there to Scottish food supplies, safety and...
Geoff Ogle
Some of the mechanics of the formal agreements of the frameworks cannot be formalised because of the situation in Northern Ireland. The common frameworks wer...
David Torrance
SNP
Thank you very much. I have no further questions. 11:00
Gillian Mackay
Green
I have a follow-up question to David Torrance’s last question. Does that in essence mean that there is no way in which to enforce divergence for the differen...
Geoff Ogle
On the vagaries of the 2020 act, if we want to introduce particular terms in Scotland—for example, if we want to introduce a health initiative—as a matter of...
Gillian Mackay
Green
Is there a danger that the system is more complicated now, with the 2020 act, the common frameworks and other pieces of legislation, than it was when we were...
Geoff Ogle
Yes, it is far more complicated. From our particular perspective, we have the UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Act 2021 to consi...
The Convener
SNP
Does Evelyn Tweed want to come in on that?