Committee
COVID-19 Recovery Committee 09 September 2021
09 Sep 2021 · S6 · COVID-19 Recovery Committee
Item of business
Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation
Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel) (Scotland) Amendment (No 16) Regulations 2021 (SSI 2021/290)
I thank the panellists very much for coming to the meeting. For the understanding of people who are watching this, we are talking about international travel—that is what the session is based on—and a lot of the regulations that we are speaking about are retrospective. The convener and I, as new members, were not here when many of the regulations were put in place, so my questions are retrospective, too. One question in particular is aimed more at Jason Leitch than it is at the cabinet secretary. Where are we in relation to seafarers and oil workers? I ask about them separately, because there seem to be different regulations, depending on when they come back. I have constituents who are oil workers who are asking particularly about going to the North Sea. They go to the Norwegian sector—to an environment that is among the safest in the world—and they are tested before they go out, when they arrive and before they come back. However, they were still required to self-isolate for 10 days. Is that still the case? If it is, why? What is the position with seafarers? I understand that, given that they come back from multiple parts of the world, the situation for them might be slightly more tricky, but will you give us an update on their position? I will have another couple of questions after those questions have been answered.
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The Convener
SNP
Cabinet secretary, would you like to make any opening remarks before we move to questions?
The Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport (Michael Matheson)
SNP
I am pleased to have the opportunity to appear before the COVID-19 Recovery Committee for the first time to discuss the international travel regulations. Sin...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you, cabinet secretary. We will turn to questions, and I will start by asking a few. I welcome the recent implementation of the QR code for internatio...
Michael Matheson
SNP
The issue of vaccination certification is being taken forward by my colleagues in the Scottish Government health directorate. The introduction of the QR code...
Professor Jason Leitch (Scottish Government)
Good morning—it is nice to see you all again. Mr Matheson is absolutely correct that the way for the digitally excluded or those who are struggling with the...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
Before I come to my substantial questions, I want to ask a process question. Cabinet secretary, it looks as though you are sitting in your ministerial office...
Michael Matheson
SNP
I am happy to appear in person in future, if the committee would prefer me to. Like most people, during the present circumstances, I am trying to minimise th...
Murdo Fraser
Con
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I think that that would be helpful and is perhaps something that we can discuss with your officials separately. I want to ask ...
Michael Matheson
SNP
The QR codes were available from 3 September, which is last Friday. As far as I am aware, the system appears to be operating fairly well. I am not aware of a...
Murdo Fraser
Con
We know that such codes were available to residents in England and Wales much earlier. Is there any reason why it took the Scottish Government so long to int...
Michael Matheson
SNP
I will ask Professor Leitch to deal with the question, because the health ministers lead on vaccination certification and he will have been involved in some ...
Professor Leitch
There was a technical digital problem. That is not a particularly helpful answer, but I can get you a more technical version. I think that it had something t...
Murdo Fraser
Con
I have just one more question for, I think, Professor Leitch, given that he is the expert on vaccinations. The convener asked about the problems of those wh...
Professor Leitch
That has not been entirely resolved. My understanding is that it is in the process of being resolved on an individual basis. The numbers are not huge, but as...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
SNP
The convener’s line of questioning has got me thinking a bit. We have talked about people from here going overseas, but what about people who are coming here...
Michael Matheson
SNP
There have been discussions between the Scottish and UK Governments on plans for COP26, including the public health arrangements, and the CMOs have been invo...
John Mason
SNP
One of my main concerns is ensuring that delegates from poorer countries are not going to be disadvantaged, as they are less likely to have had the vaccine, ...
Michael Matheson
SNP
I do not have direct control over that; as I said, the UK Government, as the host nation, does. However, my understanding is that its vaccination offer was m...
John Mason
SNP
On a more general point, I think that there are three main vaccines that are being used in this country. Are we clear whether, as has been claimed by some pe...
Michael Matheson
SNP
Before I bring in Professor Leitch to address the clinical question of the vaccines, I would point out that a couple of European countries have made use of v...
Professor Leitch
A broad range of public health advisers, including me and my colleagues, meet weekly on the specific issue of COP26 with the fundamental aim of making the co...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con)
Con
I want to ask about the longer-term prospects for international travel and the travel industry. We recognise that tackling Covid is very much a moving feast ...
Michael Matheson
SNP
The primary purpose of the restrictions on international travel is to reduce the risk of importing the virus and variants of concern. We receive advice on th...
Brian Whittle
Con
Businesses are very good at adapting—we have seen that ability to adapt over the past 18 months—and they are desperate to know how they can adapt to meet the...
Michael Matheson
SNP
I am sorry, but are you asking what safe international travel looks like without the existing restrictions in place?
Brian Whittle
Con
No. I will put it another way. Businesses are looking for a way to work around the issues that Covid brings, and they are looking to the Government to give t...
Michael Matheson
SNP
The first thing to say is that nobody wants these international travel restrictions in place for any longer than is necessary. We want to bring them to an en...
Brian Whittle
Con
My final question, which I have been trying to get to, perhaps through a rather strangled route, is about the fact that it is a global problem—not a problem ...
Michael Matheson
SNP
The principal process for considering those issues and the options for going forward is through the work of the global task force, which is looking at what i...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
SNP
I thank the panellists very much for coming to the meeting. For the understanding of people who are watching this, we are talking about international travel...