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Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The more the merrier—absolutely. On Mark Ruskell’s amendment 246, I appreciate the member’s intention to create a national deer management plan. Although we share the ambition to address rising populations, the amendment as drafted would lock us into a rigid five-year progr...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
21 Feb 2024
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
It is important to remember the purpose of having a muirburn season, which is to ensure that muirburn is carried out only when the risk of damage to economic, social and environmental interests is at a minimum. There are different permitted reasons for carrying out muirburn, d...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
19 Mar 2024
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendments 83, 102 and 105 would change the definition of land for muirburn from moorland and heath to just moorland. The definition of muirburn in the bill has been taken from the Hill Farming Act 1946, and that definition has been fit for purpose for nearly 80 years. Changin...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
30 Oct 2025
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I take the point on board. We have listened carefully to what members and stakeholders have said. The cabinet secretary has already agreed to meet members about those issues. I hope that that gives Ms Boyack confidence that we are trying to engage with members. As I said, ther...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
19 Mar 2026
Crofting and Scottish Land Court Bill: Stage 3
My amendments in the group seek to clarify the powers of the commission when it considers proposals by a grazings committee for the grazings to be used as woodlands or for an environmental purpose. They also seek to make technical modifications or changes that are consequentia...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
04 Nov 2021
Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation
I go to back to something that we talked about with Professor Leitch last week. After that exchange, I was contacted by a constituent regarding natural, as opposed to vaccination, immunity. I do not know whether it is correct, but I have been sent reams of “evidence” that natu...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
21 Feb 2024
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
As I have said, the purposes that are listed in the bill for undertaking muirburn on peatland are limited, in recognition of the risk of serious and significant carbon emissions when burning either damages the peat or interferes with the natural carbon sequestration process th...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
21 Mar 2024
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
As I close the debate, I again thank the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee and the Parliament, especially the committee clerks and the members who have spoken today, as well as all the organisations that have contributed to the debate. At the inception of the Scottish Parli...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP Chamber
30 Oct 2025
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank colleagues from across the chamber for their engagement in and contributions to today’s debate. We realise that there is work to do, and we are committed to doing it. As members will know, there are three Government ministers working on the bill, which I hope demonstra...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
It is not uncommon for such obligations to be registered against land. The Forestry and Land Management (Scotland) Act 2018 enables ministers to register certain notices on the land register or on the register of sasines, and nature conservation orders can be registered in tha...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP Chamber
29 Jan 2026
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
::I want to take a moment to thank, from the bottom of our hearts, on behalf of Gillian Martin and Mairi Gougeon, our bill teams, our legislation teams, our policy development teams, our officials, our private office and the parliamentary staff. They have put in a hell of a lo...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
06 Oct 2021
Scotland’s Island Communities
I want to quickly touch on that. The Highlands and Islands has a massive opportunity right now, but I am not sure that we are tapping into that opportunity properly. One of the questions in the report was whether, in general, tourism has a positive impact. Seventy-six per cent...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
01 Dec 2021
Climate and Nature Emergencies
Sorry, convener—I thought that other members of the panel were going to come in. I want to touch on the farming community. My question is probably to all four witnesses, who will be aware of the tensions between forestry and farming. I constantly hear that it is either forest...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Dec 2021
Climate and Nature Emergencies
We have got the big ideas, the big visions and all the rest of it, but there is concern that market-based mechanisms such as carbon credits are fuelling the attractiveness of purchasing land for carbon offsetting. That potentially brings risks to local communities and other la...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Dec 2021
Climate and Nature Emergencies
I might be missing something, but I am still not 100 per cent clear about where private investment relating to carbon gets a return, if the market is not to be highly regulated. Are we in danger of repeating what happened when we had subsidy quotas in farming? People started t...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
02 Feb 2022
Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I was interested in Iain Gulland’s point regarding collaboration across local authorities. My understanding is that the bill is an enabling one that will allow us to create a shift in the culture around how we use food, what food is and how people feel about their food. Certai...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP Committee
30 Mar 2022
Subordinate Legislation
On a point of order, deputy convener. In the exchange between the convener and me on 12 January, the convener said: “We wrote to George Eustice and got a response. Unfortunately, he was unable to attend on the date that we asked, but I am confident that we will have him in fr...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
04 May 2022
Islands (Scotland) Act 2018: Islands Plan Annual Report
I must apologise—I feel as though I am gatecrashing my own party by going out and coming in again. I have a technical question for Professor Sindico. Alasdair Allan has alluded to the charges for getting island communities connected to the grid and the fact that connection co...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
30 Nov 2022
Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill
That is absolutely correct. On that specific point, I will quote Detective Sergeant Billy Telford. He said: “We have talked about evidence and so forth, but we will still be able to use common sense and a degree of judgment to ask whether, in the balance of probability, an ac...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP Committee
07 Dec 2022
Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have been thinking for some time about the issue of the number of guns used during a hunt, and I have voiced my concern on that. From everything that we have heard in the committee, when it comes to actually killing a wild animal in a swift and humane way, the number of gun...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
21 Feb 2024
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I agree. I also highlight the absolutely invaluable work of gamekeepers and associated industries to ensure that such wildfires are brought under control. I understand why Kate Forbes has lodged amendment 88. Like her, I want to ensure that the bill’s provisions on the purpos...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
19 Mar 2024
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Before I directly address each of the amendments in group 8, I will make two points about the decision to extend the powers of Scottish SPCA inspectors to investigate specified wildlife crimes. First, as Mark Ruskell said, the issue is not new; the Scottish Government and the ...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
21 Feb 2024
Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Please bear with me while I find where I am in my notes. The provision that I mentioned is narrower because those are the only ways in which we can foresee muirburn being required. Given the way in which amendments 25 and 26 are worded, they would also allow a muirburn licenc...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
12 Mar 2025
Portfolio Question Time · Seagulls
I did not answer Douglas Ross’s question—I apologise. I am absolutely prepared to meet with anyone to try to find solutions to the problems that we have. I accept that there are problems. However, we cannot refuse the fact that gull numbers are decreasing in their natural habi...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
18 Mar 2025
Food and Drink Sector
I was in full flow there, Presiding Officer. Laughter. Perhaps there is a lack of confidence because farmers are watching a UK Government completely abandon any pretence that it cares what happens to farmers in England and Wales as it takes a wrecking ball to the systems of s...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
26 Jun 2025
Gull Control
I also disagree with that point, because it is not small increases in numbers in urban birds. The figures that I have seen show large increases in the numbers of urban birds but crashing numbers of birds in their natural environment. That goes back to the point that I made rig...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
01 Oct 2025
Urban Gulls Summit
Rhoda Grant has raised a number of points. I have the seabirds count data, which shows the percentage change between 2000 and 2020-21. Black-headed gull numbers have gone down by 75 per cent, common gull numbers have gone down by 53 per cent, lesser black-backed gull numbers h...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP Chamber
11 Nov 2025
Wildfire Summit
I am here today to update the Parliament on the outcomes of the recent ministerial wildfire summit, which was held on 14 October in Grantown-on-Spey. The summit was a culmination of a series of engagements, including the Scottish multi-agency resilience training and exercise u...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
It goes back to the point that Mr Mountain just made. He quite clearly indicated that he did not think that NatureScot had the ability to walk the miles that a deer stalker might have walked. I disagree. There will be expertise in NatureScot; it is a very good organisation wit...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I apologise in advance, because there are a considerable number of amendments to get through in this group, which may take more than a couple of minutes. On amendment 132, it is unfortunate that Edward Mountain has decided to bring this issue back again and to try disrupt pro...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I cannot remember where I had got to. There is nothing to prevent land managers who wish to observe a close season for deer on their land, for traditional reasons, from doing so. Skilled practitioners, using best practice—I have read all that. The Parliament voted on that mat...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
10 Dec 2025
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
At stage 1, a range of views were expressed by stakeholders, members and the committee, especially about the long-term impact and effectiveness of the proposed changes to deer management. I acknowledge the concerns that were raised and reassure people that the Scottish Governm...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP Chamber
04 Mar 2026
Portfolio Question Time · Deer Management
Good, sustainable deer management is integral to our effectiveness in addressing biodiversity loss and protecting and restoring the natural environment. That is why we brought forward reforms to the deer legislation through the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill and will deve...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
29 Jan 2026
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
::I am disappointed that the Conservatives will not vote for a bill that has had so much work put into it by everybody. I welcome the support that we are getting from the other parties in the chamber, but I am disappointed in the Tories. I commend the Natural Environment (Scot...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
27 Jan 2026
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
My apologies. My amendment 20 seeks to address the issues that were raised by members and stakeholders during stage 2 proceedings. I thank Mark Ruskell, Rhoda Grant and Rachael Hamilton, all of whom I met earlier this month to discuss those concerns, and I am grateful for the...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
27 Jan 2026
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I beg the Parliament’s forgiveness, as this is going to be quite a long response. Edward Mountain’s amendment 1 relates to the aims and purpose of deer management. It seeks to redefine one of the aims from furthering “the conservation of deer native to Scotland” to further...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
27 Jan 2026
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have already stated the position on authorisations for a shotgun, and that is the position that we are at. However, I said in my opening remarks that that is something that can potentially be looked at in guidance. I would also point out that there are exemptions in the 199...
Jim Fairlie SNP Chamber
27 Jan 2026
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have already stated that, through the bill, we are bringing forward a national deer management plan and introducing new powers to take action where deer are preventing nature restoration and enhancement. Outwith the legislation, we are working hard to trial incentive schemes...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
04 Feb 2026
Crofting and Scottish Land Court Bill: Stage 2
I will start by saying that I am happy to support all of Alasdair Allan’s amendments in the group—that is, amendments 27, 28, 30, 35, 36 and 38—as they address various points that have already been raised in the debate. Amendment 38, in particular, would provide a power for mi...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP Committee
22 Jun 2021
Interests
I am a member of NFU Scotland. I have no other registrable interests.
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
22 Jun 2021
Legacy Papers
Thank you, Finlay, and congratulations on becoming convener. It is great to meet the rest of the committee in this setting. One issue that I would like us to pursue is how the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 will affect farm funding. I would also like us to consider t...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
22 Jun 2021
Legacy Papers
Something crossed my mind earlier when I talked about forestry. We heard about the perception that the rural community is left behind by a central belt Scottish Government. I disagree with that, but I note the conflicts that we have. I absolutely get that we need to tackle the...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP Chamber
01 Sep 2021
Food and Drink
I very much welcome the motion in the name of the cabinet secretary. The recent story of Scotland’s food and drink sector is remarkable. I have been involved with the industry for virtually my entire working life, and I am incredibly proud of it. The industry has shown an outs...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP Committee
01 Sep 2021
Food and Drink Supply Chain
James and Mary, I am really interested in the stuff you have been talking about regarding the local food supply chain. I would really like to know how we build resilience into that. There seems to be a bit of a dichotomy here. One of the biggest export markets that we have is ...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
01 Sep 2021
Food and Drink Supply Chain
I wanted to make sure I got a question in. It is not a supplementary question; it is about the good food nation bill.
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
01 Sep 2021
Food and Drink Supply Chain
Thank you for that, convener. Apologies for the confusion. I have thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. As some of you know, I have been involved in food production and the hospitality sector for many years. I am hugely excited by what we can potentially do. There are undoubte...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
01 Sep 2021
Food and Drink Supply Chain
I have a specific question for David Thomson on something that he mentioned right at the start of the session. David, you talked about the health connections with food and the potential clash between English and Scottish regulations through the United Kingdom Internal Market A...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
01 Sep 2021
Food and Drink Supply Chain
I would like to clarify a point that you made. The Scottish Government introduced minimum unit pricing for alcohol. Is that the kind of area where we might run into difficulty?
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
01 Sep 2021
Food and Drink Supply Chain
Thank you.
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
You gave a broad outline of what the new agriculture bill that will be introduced is about. What do you hope to achieve and what is its purpose, specifically in relation to food production? In addition, what will the conditionality on support look like in relation to the balan...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
You have said that there will be a 50:50 balance regarding environmental benefits and food production. My understanding is that that approach differs radically from that in the UK Agriculture Act 2020. If we have a different agricultural policy in Scotland, does that put us on...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
It is clear from that that we need to keep a very close eye on where divergences are going to be and where we could be brought into conflict with the UK Government as the policies develop. Is it fair to say that?
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
I am aware that I am taking up a lot of time, but I have two more brief questions for the cabinet secretary. First, the NFU has written to Kevin Foster to ask for a 12-month Covid recovery visa. Do you know whether it has received a response? Have you had any communication wi...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
The NFU wrote to Kevin Foster, who is the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State (Minister for Future Borders and Immigration), to ask for a 12-month Covid visa in order to get over the short-term supply chain workforce issues in the agricultural sector. Do you know whether th...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
I presume that you will bring us up to date if there is any progress on any of those issues.
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
I am sorry to Ariane Burgess for interrupting her questioning, but I am keen to bore down into this matter a wee bit. Having been a hard-nosed farmer, I know that finances are usually the driver for making anyone do anything as far as having a sustainable business is concerned...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
Again, I apologise to Ariane Burgess—I do not want to steal her position here—but I visited a regenerative farm that is working very closely with Soil Association Scotland, which appreciates that there are slight differences in this matter. I encourage the cabinet secretary to...
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
I am sorry to keep coming back to you, cabinet secretary, but, given the size of Scotland’s food and drink industry, it is vital that we look at that area in detail. This might not be the right meeting in which to do that, but there are a couple of issues that I want to raise....
Jim Fairlie SNP Committee
08 Sep 2021
Scottish Government Priorities
I would like us to come back to the sustainably Scottish brand at some point, because we have brands that sit within the Scotch brand. Where will they fit in? Are we going to absorb them into the sustainably Scottish brand? We need to drill into that, and I would appreciate ou...
Jim Fairlie (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP) SNP Committee
22 Sep 2021
Farming and Crofting
Both Rachael Hamilton and the convener talked about the reduction in livestock levels that we are aiming for. However, the cabinet secretary has already made it quite clear that there is no plan to reduce the suckler cow numbers in the country. I want to put that on the record...
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee 03 December 2025

03 Dec 2025 · S6 · Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Item of business
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Fairlie, Jim SNP Perthshire South and Kinross-shire Watch on SPTV

The more the merrier—absolutely.

On Mark Ruskell’s amendment 246, I appreciate the member’s intention to create a national deer management plan. Although we share the ambition to address rising populations, the amendment as drafted would lock us into a rigid five-year programme with fixed cull targets. A statutory plan with predetermined numbers would risk reducing flexibility and could undermine adaptive management approaches. In addition, taking resource to draft such a convoluted plan would prevent us from taking tangible action on the ground. For those reasons, we cannot support amendment 246 at this stage, but I would very much like to work with Mr Ruskell and stakeholders ahead of stage 3, to ensure that any proposals are fit for purpose.

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I oppose Beatrice Wishart’s amendment 225 because it risks weakening the effectiveness of the bill’s nature restoration objectives. By inserting the word “materially,” we would raise the threshold for intervention, meaning that NatureScot could act only when deer prevent or materially reduce the effectiveness of work, a project or natural process. Although that sounds reasonable, it would create problems in practice.

The amendment would delay action, as many environmental impacts start small and accumulate over time; it would introduce ambiguity, because the term “materially” is subjective; and it would invite disputes over what qualifies as material harm, adding complexity and slowing enforcement—instead of having clarity, we risk having uncertainty and challenge. It would also reduce flexibility. NatureScot needs to have the ability to act proactively, especially where cumulative minor impacts undermine biodiversity targets. The amendment would limit that discretion and could compromise Scotland’s climate and nature commitments.

For those reasons, I urge members to reject amendment 225.

I cannot support Tim Eagle’s amendments 226 to 230 as they would collectively weaken the bill’s ability to deliver effective nature restoration. Amendment 226 would remove the phrase “natural processes,” meaning that NatureScot could not act where deer are preventing or reducing, or are likely to prevent or reduce, the effectiveness of a natural process that protects the natural heritage or environment and is for, or contributes to, a climate change, biodiversity or environmental target, strategy or plan that applies in Scotland.

Amendments 227, 228 and 229 would change the wording relating to preserving, protecting, restoring and enhancing, which would create unnecessary complexity in an attempt to narrow the scope of the grounds for intervention, and, in doing so, it would potentially exclude projects that focus on only one objective. Amendment 230 would remove the phrase “or environment,” narrowing the scope to natural heritage alone and undermining integrated outcomes such as soil health, water quality and climate resilience. Those changes might seem technical, but together they would reduce flexibility, create ambiguity and limit the bill’s reach, when the original wording is clear and comprehensive. For those reasons, I encourage members to oppose amendments 226 to 230.

Although Rachael Hamilton’s amendment 233 is well intentioned, it would introduce a significant policy and practical challenge that would risk undermining effective deer management. The amendment would also impose a statutory duty on local authorities to require them to manage deer on all land that they own or control, including roads.

First, it is not clear what is meant by the wording, “otherwise under its control”. I am not sure what specific land would be covered by the proposed duty. In practice, amendment 233 would create an unfunded mandate. Many councils, particularly in urban and lowland areas, lack the expertise, resources and infrastructure to deliver safe and sustainable deer management. Without dedicated funding or training, the duty would be unrealistic and unevenly applied across Scotland.

Secondly, the requirement to prepare and publish a deer management plan would add administrative complexity. Councils already face severe budget pressures, and the amendment would divert resources from core services and risk creating plans that look good on paper but cannot be implemented effectively.

Finally, although the amendment rightly links deer management to road safety, it would not address the underlying problem—councils often lack access to reliable collision data and have limited capacity to act on it. Simply mandating consultation and reporting would not resolve those systemic gaps.

In short, the amendment would risk creating obligations without the means to fulfil them, leading to patchy implementation and potential liability for councils. The bill already provides mechanisms for co-ordinated deer management through NatureScot and voluntary partnerships. Adding that duty now would overcomplicate the system and strain local government capacity.

For those reasons, I encourage members to oppose amendment 233.

Tim Eagle’s amendment 331 is well intentioned. However, in seeking greater community involvement in deer management, it would introduce significant challenges that risk undermining effective deer management. It would impose a statutory obligation on public authorities to consider and potentially implement “community-integrated deer management models” on publicly owned land. In practice, that would create complex engagement requirements that could delay decision making, particularly when communities disagree with proposed plans.

The amendment would require public authorities to consider a number of complex elements when exercising their functions, which would significantly increase workload and administrative burdens on them. Such a requirement should not be progressed without careful consideration and consultation with the public authorities that might be subject to that new duty.

Deer management can be an emotive subject, and there are many views on the best way to manage deer in different areas. I do not think that the member has considered the potential implications in peri-urban areas, where some members of the public who rarely see deer do not understand the impact that deer have on the environment if their population is left unchecked.

For those reasons, I ask the member not to move amendment 331. If he does, I ask members not to support it.

Although I appreciate the intention behind Rhoda Grant’s amendment 136, which is to ensure timely action on the notification of control agreements, I remind her that section 7 control agreements are voluntary. NatureScot will look to secure voluntary deer management and work with landowners and occupiers to reach agreement on what it will look like. That can take time, because collaboration and the process are not linear. Therefore, it is not practical to oblige NatureScot to give notice within three months. For those reasons, I recommend that members oppose amendment 136.

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The Convener Con
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The Convener Con
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The Convener Con
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There will be a division. For Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)...
The Convener Con
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