Committee
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 10 September 2024
10 Sep 2024 · S6 · Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Item of business
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
One of the key things that I mentioned at the start of the bill process was about making sure that we give investors that clarity, which, from speaking to them, I know that they want. It is long-term patient capital, which no one tends to invest in, so they want clarity over a certain period of time. That is the message that has come through in the discussions that I have had. The two-pronged approach is about setting up the housing investment task force, on which there are members of the investment community that are part of those discussions, and about trying to give clarity through the rent controls. A key aspect that the housing investment task force is looking at is barriers to investment. It is not just looking at rent controls but at a much broader range of measures, such as the use of guarantees. The housing investment task force will produce a report with recommendations, so that work is being driven by the task force itself. We talked about the MMR commitment following last week’s programme for government, which kind of came out of discussions with the housing investment task force. We are looking at different ways and different models to deal with that, which we hope will come out in the short term through the task force’s recommendations. However, we need to give clarity on rent controls—there is no doubt about that.
In the same item of business
The Convener
Green
The next item is to take evidence on the Housing (Scotland) Bill from the Minister for Housing, Paul McLennan MSP. Mr McLennan is joined by Scottish Governme...
The Minister for Housing (Paul McLennan)
SNP
Thank you, convener and members of the committee, and good morning. Thank you for the opportunity to set out the vision for the Housing (Scotland) Bill and, ...
The Convener
Green
Thank you for your opening statement. We have a number of questions to get through today, and we will follow our usual format. I will start with some general...
Paul McLennan
SNP
I touched on that in my opening remarks—there are a number of key aspects, and I will try to keep my comments to a minimum. One aim is to encourage growth i...
The Convener
Green
Can I come back on the encouragement for growth? Last week, the Chartered Institute of Housing said that there is no sense of what size the sector needs to b...
Paul McLennan
SNP
I am keen to look at that more broadly outwith the bill. I have met the Scottish Association of Landlords on a number of occasions, and we have another meeti...
The Convener
Green
I understand that there are nuances for different local authorities. When you get some information or a sense of the appropriate size, the committee will app...
Paul McLennan
SNP
There are a number of things there. One concerns getting the balance right between protecting rents and the need for investment, as we need investment in var...
The Convener
Green
We are aware that there is a new housing national outcome. I would be interested to hear how the bill fits in with that and how you plan to monitor the impac...
Paul McLennan
SNP
I supported the national outcome on housing before I became minister. It was discussed by various groups, and its importance for housing has been recognised,...
The Convener
Green
Great—thanks for that. We will now move on to discuss rent, and I invite Pam Gosal to ask the first question. A few other members wish to ask supplementarie...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
Thank you, convener, and good morning, minister and supporting officials. In previous evidence sessions, witnesses raised concerns that the Housing (Scotlan...
Paul McLennan
SNP
I have engaged extensively with stakeholders since the bill was published, as I did before then. When I took over responsibility for the bill from Mr Harvie,...
Pam Gosal
Con
My supplementary question is about a huge issue that is driving up rents. We all know that we simply do not have enough homes in Scotland. Has the Scottish G...
Paul McLennan
SNP
I think that that problem is much broader than the private rented sector. The Construction Industry Training Board published a study six to nine months ago t...
Pam Gosal
Con
In your answer to the first question, you said that a task force had been set up. Is that task force working? You told me that investors and banks are on the...
Paul McLennan
SNP
One of the key things that I mentioned at the start of the bill process was about making sure that we give investors that clarity, which, from speaking to th...
Pam Gosal
Con
When will that report come out?
Paul McLennan
SNP
I think that we are looking at the first quarter of next year—that is the task force’s target. I am happy to write to the committee on that point. However, t...
The Convener
Green
Thank you. I will go back to the First Minister’s announcements on amendments that will seek to attract more investment. We are interested in understanding t...
Paul McLennan
SNP
You are right; inflation-linked increases is one of the issues that is being considered. I previously mentioned the discussions that we are having with Livin...
The Convener
Green
If new amendments come, we will potentially do a bit more evidence taking.
Paul McLennan
SNP
I was going to mention that. Of course, we would be happy to take part in that.
The Convener
Green
Mark Griffin has a supplementary question. 10:30
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I think that most people would accept that the rent control elements are the flagship part of the bill. Given that this is our last evidence session, and tha...
Paul McLennan
SNP
The answer to the question of whether we will withdraw the bill is no, for a number of reasons. I will go into more of the detail. We need clarity for tena...
The Convener
Green
Will you give us a timeline for the work that you are doing, so that we have an understanding? For example, if we publish our report, how much time will ther...
Paul McLennan
SNP
Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that your report is due out at the end of October.
The Convener
Green
Tentatively, at this point.
Paul McLennan
SNP
I would think that it would be around that time, or not too far off. Again, I am happy to come back to the committee when the amendments are lodged to have t...