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Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Feb 2022
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I think that we can all agree that the backdrop to the budget has been extremely challenging. We have considerable uncertainty. We have talked about rapidly rising inflation, a cost of living crisis, energy price hikes and so on. Against that backdrop, we must acknowledge tha...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
29 Oct 2024
Fiscal Sustainability
I start with a few thoughts on tomorrow’s UK budget. Just as every citizen will be concerned about the sustainability of their own finances, not least pensioners and those in low-income households, the Scottish Government will very quickly have to consider the implications for...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
21 Feb 2023
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 3
Sorry, Presiding Officer—just give me a minute to fix my microphone. I am getting a tut-tut there, I see. The Scottish Government, and the acting finance secretary in particular, have faced huge challenges with this budget and have acted in the interests of the majority of t...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
19 Nov 2024
Rural Economy (Impact of United Kingdom Government Budget)
I enjoyed Douglas Ross’s speech because of his recognition of Westminster’s failure to needs to listen to Scotland’s needs. It is a slightly Kafkaesque conversion but welcome nevertheless. Although the primary sectors of agriculture, forestry and fishing remain important for ...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
03 Dec 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)
Good morning. I have a mix of questions as well, given that we are nearly at the end of the evidence session. I will start almost at the beginning. You have been quite critical about the extent to which you really see the UK budget as a budget for growth. Indeed, you suggest t...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Dec 2024
Budget 2025-26
Today, we are being asked to debate, at best, half a motion. Some of its points have been eloquently dealt with by many in the chamber, and I add my voice to those who are dismayed by the attempt to isolate asylum seekers and deny them support. The rest of the motion is full ...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2026
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
First, I note that I am disappointed at the length of the debate. The budget is absolutely at the heart of any Government activity. For it to be conducted on a Thursday afternoon in what some people consider the graveyard slot, and with such restricted time, is not good enough...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
21 Jan 2026
Budget 2026-27
I thank Douglas Ross for bringing the debate alive. I will try to keep it up, even though we are now back to the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have long laboured the point that we need a sustainable fiscal environment in Scotland, and we have consistently sa...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
01 Feb 2022
Budget Scrutiny 2022-23
In my old world of consultancy, I would also be adding up the hours that are spent on the toing and froing, because it seems extraordinarily inefficient. All that complexity is, in effect, a waste of public funds. I have a daft wee question that goes back to the Scottish Fisc...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
28 Sep 2022
Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2023-24
Good morning. You have touched on so many different areas. I will ask one open question now and I may want to come back in. I am on the Finance and Public Administration Committee, which yesterday took evidence on the budget from Engender. It said it had concerns regarding th...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
10 Jan 2023
Budget Scrutiny 2023-24
It is said that it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. That is probably what we are seeing with the fixed budget model. The committee knows that the extent to which the public understand how the financial frame...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
26 Jan 2023
Budget 2023-24 (Committees’ Pre-budget Scrutiny)
It is a pleasure to follow my FPA committee colleague and to hear contributions from everyone who has spoken today. It is refreshing to have light rather than just heat. Many very valuable observations have already been made about the committee’s report, so I shall simply make...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
16 Jan 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25
You have made a very compelling argument against fixed budgets. My final question concerns the cleaning budget. You have noted the increase, but the budget submission says: “The contract price increase for the 2023-24 budget was omitted.” I was not clear about that, but hav...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
01 Feb 2024
Budget 2024-25
Only this week, the IMF reset its predictions for the UK economy. It predicts that the UK will be the second-worst performer in the G7 this year and the joint third-worst performer in 2025. We have had, in essence, and as reflected in the Finance and Public Administration Comm...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
What you just said does not in any way reflect the fact that there is a projected 20 per cent real-terms cut in the capital budget. To be clear, the capital budget is given to the Scottish Government by the UK Government, and the Scottish Government has only a very limited cap...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
10 Sep 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Many of the areas that I am interested in have been covered. I want to explore the main theme of this evidence session. Thus far, the evidence has highlighted the considerable complexity that is illustrated by the fiscal framework. It also points to the fact that there is a bi...
Michelle Thomson SNP Chamber
04 Feb 2025
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
Absolutely, but I make it completely clear that my ambition for Scotland is far more than that. I do not want us to rely on handouts. How about we all grow up and create our own future, in the form of independence? That would sort that. Let us look at some of the changes that...
Michelle Thomson SNP Chamber
06 Feb 2025
General Question Time · Budget 2025-26 (Hospice Care)
I thank the minister for putting on the record that the draft budget includes £5 million for that. I note that that increase came about during budget negotiations. On a recent visit to Strathcarron hospice, which provides invaluable end-of-life care for almost 500 patients an...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
11 Nov 2025
Subordinate Legislation
I have a gentle challenge. Although there may be a shift in the future, there is still ring-fenced funding for local government so that the Government can ensure that its priorities are met. I may have asked this question last year, but why do you not attribute the same discip...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
07 Sep 2021
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19
That just leaves Adam Stachura—he seems to be saying yes. I have realised that it is not always best to ask closed questions, so I will move on to an open one. When I was preparing for this session and rereading the questions that you were asked to answer in making a written ...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
14 Sep 2021
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19
Thank you. Mindful of the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s reputation for being the most exciting committee, I am going to take it up a level. This is a question for all three witnesses. One of the questions that everyone has been asked to submit on is how the Sco...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
06 Oct 2021
Scotland in the World
The presidency of the United Nations Security Council is currently held by Ireland. Four of the 10 non-permanent members of the UN Security Council have populations smaller than Scotland’s, as have 77 member countries of the United Nations. Small and medium-sized countries mat...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Dec 2021
Budget 2022-23
I congratulate the cabinet secretary on making such an outstanding budget statement, given the severe challenges that have been created by the, to be frank, incompetent UK Government. The cabinet secretary has rightly put economic recovery at the heart of her budget. As she i...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
19 Jan 2022
Local Government Funding
The events of recent days have once again highlighted the hypocrisy of the Tories. Perhaps they have already forgotten the waste of public funds in awarding personal protective equipment contracts to their pals and the writing-off—only yesterday—of an incredible £4.3 billion f...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
27 Jan 2022
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
When I was an MP, I sat on a Finance Bill committee and on the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Select Committee, and my entry in the register of members’ interests shows that I remain an ambassador for the all-party parliamentary group for fair business banking. In th...
Michelle Thomson SNP Chamber
10 Feb 2022
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Presiding Officer, the member is beginning to sound a bit like Boris Johnson. He will not condemn it. I will close by reflecting on an important aspect of expenditure. The budget for 2022-23 gives emphasis to the importance of preventative spend across a range of areas, from ...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
27 Sep 2022
Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)
I indicated that I wanted to bring in Catherine Murphy because I was so struck by the submission from Engender. Catherine, you have already highlighted the systemic nature of the issues that permeate every budget line and every facet of society. I have a point to make on the ...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
20 Dec 2022
Budget Scrutiny 2023-24
Following on from that, it is obvious that a reform programme can bring efficiencies, but there is a cost to those efficiencies. Where there is a fixed budget, that cost is not so much in costs as in a reduction in spend in other areas that leads into this cycle. I would like ...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
18 Jan 2023
Budget 2023-24
Good morning, Deputy First Minister. Thank you for attending today’s meeting. I want to follow up on a deeply held interest of mine: the role of women and their contribution and entrepreneurialism. Our pre-budget calls mentioned disaggregation of data and progress on the wome...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
20 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny
I think that that is commonly understood. It came up in yesterday’s Finance and Public Administration Committee meeting that, largely, the UK Government has been working to a one-year budget process, which flows through to the Scottish Government. I do not want to put words in...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge
Good morning, panel. Thank you for attending. I want to start with a quick question about the Verity house agreement. We know that some broad principles have been established, but, critically, we still need to work out the principles, never mind the details, of any fiscal fram...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge
I hear what you are saying and I accept all of that. You talk about accountability on both sides, and I think that the principles are clear. However, the budget for 2023-24 will be published fairly soon, in December, and local authorities will be asking what specifically it wi...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
19 Dec 2023
Budget 2024-25
The Grangemouth flood prevention scheme in my constituency is a vital infrastructure project. The project has been waiting for some time for clarity over funding for the next stages. I have assumed that the delay was due to budget uncertainty, particularly around capital. As a...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
16 Jan 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25
I will be very quick, as most of the topics that I wanted to cover have come up already. If the panel can bear it, I have one more little question about commissioners and office-holders. You have mentioned that your figures are heavily caveated, given the continued uncertain...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
16 Jan 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25
Politically, I am as capable as anyone of complaining about the nature of a fixed budget for the Scottish Government, but, from a financial perspective, it brings discipline, because it requires hard choices to be made. To pick up on the convener’s opening comments, I suppose ...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
16 Jan 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25
Just to put something on the record, at last week’s Education, Children and Young People Committee, Minister Graeme Dey pointed out that “The starting point for colleges next year will be slightly better—only slightly better, I stress—than the finishing point for this year.”—...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
17 Jan 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform
Good morning, cabinet secretary. I thank the rest of the panel for attending as well. Before other members come in on the budget, I want to discuss briefly public sector reform, which was trailed extensively, although the budget does not contain any specific plans for how tha...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
17 Jan 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform
Absolutely—fair dos. I want to explore that a bit more. I absolutely agree with you about the constraints on pay and the difficulty of the budget, but how specifically will you be able to support agencies in squaring that circle—to use a horrible analogy? They will be require...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
10 Sep 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
That is interesting and I suspect that it will be picked up further. Vikki Manson, there is an intriguing bit in your submission, which I will quote for the record: “It is simply impossible to expect to see an increase in economic activity when the proposed Economy National ...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
31 Oct 2024
First Minister’s Question Time · United Kingdom Government Budget
After the budget, the Office for Budget Responsibility significantly downgraded its economic growth forecasts, and the Institute for Fiscal Studies warned that the vast majority of the national insurance tax hike will hit working people through lower pay. To what extent will t...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
12 Nov 2024
Subordinate Legislation
I have looked at the impact assessments, and a third of them state that there will be no impact. Women are mentioned just twice—I fully accept what you said about the UK budget revision—but we know that cuts generally affect women disproportionately. I am just commenting that ...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
19 Nov 2024
Rural Economy (Impact of United Kingdom Government Budget)
The member is obviously enjoying iterating the budget settlement for the Scottish Government, but could he specifically address how this disaster of a budget will address the black hole in the UK economy? I suspect that his party would argue that that black hole is part of the...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
26 Nov 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 (United Kingdom Context)
I thank the witnesses for joining us—it has been a very worthwhile session. I want to finish off by getting your reflection on Brexit, which, incredibly, we have barely discussed. You comment that “Weak growth in imports and exports over the medium term partly reflect the con...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
04 Dec 2024
Budget 2025-26
I thank the cabinet secretary for that statement and for the SNP Government’s continued support of Scots. A number of mitigations were already in place to alleviate Tory Westminster austerity, and, today, additional measures have been taken to alleviate UK Labour austerity. P...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
10 Dec 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts
Good morning. Thank you for joining us. On page 9 of your report, you state that there is “a material limitation to information available to the Scottish Parliament for its scrutiny of the Budget and in the spending analysis we can do.” I think that that is in reference to...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
30 Jan 2025
Scottish Budget 2025-26
This is the open debate, so I get to be a little more free with my comments than everyone thus far. In my opinion, this is a good and clever budget, and it reorientates John Swinney and Kate Forbes’s Government with the right priorities, including tangible steps to ameliorate ...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Chamber
04 Feb 2025
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
This is, indeed, a budget that is made in Scotland for Scotland, and I add my voice to those who welcome the contribution of the Greens, the Liberal Democrats and Alba. The Tories, as ever, are taking their job of opposition so seriously that they seem to oppose everything th...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
16 Sep 2025
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27
You have made my point for me. There are nearside considerations in relation to the forthcoming budget, and there are longer-term projections. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has made clear the challenges of the fiscal sustainability of continuing to make social security paymen...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27
I move to my next wee point. You know that, in relation to last year’s budget, I was quite critical about any plans to use ScotWind funding for other types of spend. I know that you cannot give spoilers about the budget, but I seek some reassurance that ScotWind funding can c...
Michelle Thomson SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2026
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
Och, he is a wee lamb, is he not? For goodness’ sake: the fact of the matter is that the Scottish Labour leadership appears to knife its own Prime Minister in the back, but it fails at every single turn to put the interests of the Scottish people first.This is the context in w...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
27 Jan 2026
Budget Scrutiny 2026-27
That simply does not seem to be the case here. I will not labour the point, because I want to go on to other things, but I think that what has been encouraged and what has been done has not been followed through. One of the reasons why the NPCs are so disappointed is that they...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
21 Jan 2026
Budget Scrutiny 2026-27
Good morning. The rest of my colleagues will want to get into specific detail on your portfolio, but I have an open question. Productivity growth is one of the challenges of our times—that has arguably never been more the case—given geopolitical challenges and budget shortages...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
06 Jan 2026
Budget Scrutiny 2026-27
I absolutely agree with your last point, but my point is not about footfall. If you were to focus on an online proposition and were marketing directly to, say, our diaspora in North America and had a proper marketing position, you could absolutely increase turnover. Anyway, I...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
14 Sep 2021
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19
Can I just follow up on that? It almost sounds as if our failure to recognise such businesses is embedding systemic issues in our economy. Through my questioning, it has become abundantly clear to me—I might previously have said that it was clear, but I am now quite shocked by...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
14 Sep 2021
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19
I will keep asking the question. Just to finish off on that theme, I will give a simple example. I have been enjoying reading the document by Benny Higgins titled “Financing Scotland’s Recovery”. Just as a follow-up, I thought that I would do a wee search in it on references t...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
15 Sep 2021
Economic Recovery
First, I will take us back a bit and explore budget positions. You have submitted written information, so I want to keep this snappy. I am interested in getting a brief summary of what both organisations believe their current budget positions to be. It might be more appropriat...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
15 Sep 2021
Economic Recovery
I will start with a question for the two directors of finance—Anthony Daye and Nick Kenton. You may have seen that, in the previous panel session, I wanted to explore the extent to which people are confident about their projections for next year’s budget, given the considerabl...
Michelle Thomson (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP Committee
05 Oct 2021
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and Impact of Covid-19
I will follow on from the theme of tax avoidance that Ross Greer highlighted. I understand that there is a historical dispute going back to devolution of further powers in relation to proceeds of crime and £30 million that it was originally assumed would remain with the Scott...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
05 Oct 2021
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and Impact of Covid-19
The point that I am trying to make is that, given the on-going dispute about no detriment, if the Scottish Government were to discover more crime—even if it were able to, which it is not, in many areas—it would not get the benefit of increased proceeds-of-crime funding, becaus...
Michelle Thomson SNP Committee
14 Dec 2021
Budget Scrutiny 2022-23
A lot of the levers that you might choose to use reside at UK level. Those include macroeconomic policy, a bunch of taxes, borrowing—which Scotland cannot do—and immigration. When you look at the current Scottish budget, is it your assessment that the Scottish Government is do...
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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 10 February 2022

10 Feb 2022 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

I think that we can all agree that the backdrop to the budget has been extremely challenging. We have considerable uncertainty. We have talked about rapidly rising inflation, a cost of living crisis, energy price hikes and so on.

Against that backdrop, we must acknowledge that the UK Government has added its own challenges for the Scottish Government, with the constant changing of reliable consequential figures and, fundamentally, its lack of respect for this Parliament.

The response of the UK Treasury to the wider economic conditions remains unclear. The Bank of England has started a process of regular interest rate rises and, although that has received little comment in this Parliament, it is setting out on a path of unwinding quantitative easing. No one can be certain of the consequences of that—least of all, I suspect, the Bank of England.

That backdrop, which it is very important for us to understand, of course leads to pressure to increase Government expenditure on every front. No area has been immune from such pressures, and we have heard multiple calls from across the chamber today to raise department allocations and expenditure on virtually everything. It cannot be overstressed that the cabinet secretary and her ministerial team face all those pressures with a largely fixed budget. As someone coming into the chamber for the first time, I cannot understand why it is so hard for the Opposition parties to understand that. The calls for increased expenditure are simply not matched by suggestions of where budget cuts should be made. Opposition members seem to imagine that there actually is a magic money tree after all.

A further issue about which I have spoken before is the uncertainty and fast-changing forecasts that the Scottish Government must contend with. The forecasts from the Office for Budget Responsibility determine the size of the block grant adjustments for both devolved taxes and welfare benefits, and the forecasts from the Scottish Fiscal Commission affect tax revenues and welfare spending. That is a headache—and more so if the outcomes are significantly different from the forecasts and given the limited ability to carry forward, which the cabinet secretary has already pointed out.

For me, the question is how we should judge the budget. Perhaps there is a test. Amidst that background and the challenges that we face, has the Government come up with a balanced, fair and proportionate set of proposals? Furthermore, is there flexibility to allow for adjustments as circumstances evolve? As a member of both the Finance and Public Administration Committee and the Economy and Fair Work Committee, I think that the cabinet secretary and her ministerial team have done a remarkable job to satisfy those tests.

The scrutiny of the budget by the Finance and Public Administration Committee was detailed and thorough, given the time and resources that were available. Our report identifies the importance and challenges of the fiscal framework and of the negotiations that take place. Among the evidence that we examined, I was impressed by the paper “Options for reforming the devolved fiscal frameworks post-pandemic”, which was authored by the three Davids: Professor David Bell, David Phillips and David Eiser. They argued persuasively for increased flexibilities in borrowing and reserve drawdowns in normal times. They also sought the reintroduction of funding guarantees and extended borrowing powers during times of rapid change and adverse shocks such as those that we have experienced in the Covid-19 pandemic.

Scrutiny of a budget can become dauntingly technical, but we cannot forget the need for transparency and clarity for the citizens of Scotland. Rather than asking about the intricacy of the fiscal framework, they might ask—probably encouraged by the media—why there was an underspend of £580 million for 2020-21. When asked about that during an evidence session, the cabinet secretary responded with her typical clarity and candour:

“It is illegal for me to overspend. Therefore, as we get closer to the end of the financial year, coming in under budget is a bit like landing a 747 on a postage stamp.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 21 December 2021; c 32.]

In other words, that is a function of the quite ridiculous process of how we need to manage our budget. Earlier today, I tweeted:

“you wouldn’t run a business like this - so why are the SG expected to run a country like this?”

I have already had my say on tax, during the debate on the Scottish rate resolution. However, from some of their earlier comments, I notice that the Tories still fail to pick up on the fact that, as was mentioned last week in the Spotlight on Corruption report, £290 billion is lost every year to the UK GDP as the result of corruption. Last week, I called on Murdo Fraser to condemn that, but he did not. Perhaps he might like to do that today.

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