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The Convener (Karen Adam) SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
Good morning and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2025 in session 6 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have no apologies today. Marie McNair will be joining us online. Our first agenda item is our final evidence sessions on the operation of the pu...
Karen Adam SNP Chamber
25 Nov 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is not a committee bill—it is a Scottish Government bill. We had a great deal of discussion on the age at which a child could have capacity, but the majority of us decided that teachers deal with such things all the time and have to make those kinds of decisions. Another...
The Convener (Karen Adam) SNP Committee
13 Jan 2026
Public Sector Equality Duty
Good morning, and welcome to the first meeting in 2026, in session 6, of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received apologies from Paul O’Kane, and Marie McNair will be joining us remotely.Our only public agenda item is an evidence session follo...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
08 Dec 2022
International Human Rights Days
Consensus is great, and it is fantastic to work on a cross-party basis in any kind of collaboration, particularly when it comes to human rights. However, I can never work with anyone who would vote against the rights of LGBT people. International human rights day marks the ad...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Committee
24 Jan 2023
Budget Scrutiny 2023-24
I thank the witnesses for their evidence, which has been really informative. Angela O’Hagan spoke about making budgeting more accessible to people. She has made it more accessible to me, so I appreciate that. Your evidence has been really helpful. In relation to flipping the ...
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
Thank you, minister. Over the past few weeks, as part of our inquiry, public authorities have stated that they generally have a good understanding of the terms and aims of the public sector equality duty in Scotland, but equality organisations have suggested that, although pub...
The Convener (Karen Adam) SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2025, in session 6, of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. Agenda item 1 is our first evidence session on the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotla...
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are you aware of any evidence that the additional exemption to the compatibility duty is required?
The Convener SNP Committee
07 Oct 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Our next agenda item is taking evidence on the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill. This is our second evidence session on the bill, and this morning we will hear from two panels of witnesses. I welcome our ...
The Convener SNP Committee
28 Oct 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Under item 2, the committee will hold its final evidence session on the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome Jenny Gilruth, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills. She is accompanied by Lewi...
The Convener (Karen Adam) SNP Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee in session 6. We have received no apologies this morning. Our first and only agenda item is stage 2 consideration of the Children (Withdrawal from Religious Educa...
The Convener SNP Committee
16 Dec 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
That ends stage 2 consideration of the bill and concludes today’s meeting and our meetings for the year. I thank you all for your contributions this morning and during the year. I hope that you all have a good break over the festive period. I look forward to seeing you back he...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill
The bill is about children’s rights showing up in the real world—in the school day and in the decisions that adults make that can change how a young person experiences their education.Parents have had a long-standing right to withdraw a child from religious observance. The bil...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Committee
29 Sep 2021
Animal Health and Welfare
I know that we are running out of time, so I will be as brief as I can be, although the answers will probably be quite long. As a dog owner who has had large-breed dogs, I understand the responsibility that comes with pet ownership and the gravity of the duty of care that is ...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
27 Jan 2022
Adverse Childhood Experiences
I thank Rona Mackay for bringing the debate to the chamber. She has been a mentor to me in Parliament and I know that she cares very much about the campaign and about the cross-party group on ACEs, of which I am grateful to be a part. One of the first organisations that I wan...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
20 Sep 2022
Tributes to Her Late Majesty the Queen
The Friday evening tradition at my gran’s house would be for my gran to don her camel-coloured Mac coat, put on her red lipstick and comb up her hair, ready for the big shop at the supermarket in Dyce. It was a weekly highlight and I would always ask for some lipstick too. My ...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
27 Oct 2022
Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
To my colleague Jamie Greene, I say that some of the things that he said he does not know, I do, and I am honoured to have the privilege to talk from that point of view today. This is a wonderful day—a day when I can stand in this chamber and take part in shaping legislation ...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Committee
31 Jan 2023
Budget Scrutiny 2023-24
Good morning, minister, and thank you for the evidence thus far. I have often thought that fiscal management can be a bit dry and boring, but this is really not boring. It is quite exciting to be able to discuss how we follow the money and ensure that, when we do that, the out...
Karen Adam SNP Chamber
25 May 2023
Agriculture Policy
Sorry—not this time. The new animal health and welfare payment is one example of what the Scottish Government is doing to fulfil our collective vision for agriculture. Through that payment, we will reward farmers who take an active role in improving the health and welfare of ...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Committee
31 Oct 2023
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage
Good morning to the witnesses. As you are all probably aware, the Scottish Government has plans to introduce a Scottish human rights bill, which will incorporate four international human rights treaties into law. Dr Andrew Tickell, who will join us as part of the second panel ...
Karen Adam SNP Committee
31 Oct 2023
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage
I asked the first panel a specific question about the Scottish Government’s plans to introduce new human rights law based on four international human rights treaties. I mentioned you, Dr Tickell, as you have flagged up a concern that that might cause difficulties similar to th...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 Mar 2024
Young Carers Action Day 2024
Bringing this debate to the Scottish Parliament is such a moving moment for me, particularly because we welcome dozens of young carers to the public gallery. Among our visitors are two very special young women who, due to their initiative, have made the debate happen. I thank ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP Committee
11 Sep 2024
Rural Affairs and Islands Remit
That is fundamental to our work across Government. I have already outlined the areas that the rural delivery plan will cover, and I have said that I will keep the committee updated on that. That work will show progress across all the different areas. I have also touched on th...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
27 Nov 2024
Bus Drivers (Abuse)
The tragic death of Keith Rollinson following an assault at his workplace is a stark reminder of the dangers that our essential workers can face. Like my colleagues, I express my deepest sympathies for his family, his friends and his colleagues, who now bear the weight of such...
Karen Adam SNP Chamber
05 Feb 2025
Addressing Child Poverty through Education
I apologise—I am going over my time. I am very impassioned by the subject, Deputy Presiding Officer. In conclusion, I simply say to Opposition members that we have a moral duty to act, and if they truly care about the attainment gap, they must care about poverty first. We sho...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
05 Feb 2025
Local Libraries
I congratulate Mark Ruskell on securing the debate—it is extremely important, and I am delighted to speak in it, as it allows me to put on record my profound gratitude to the campaigners who are fighting against library closures by Aberdeenshire Council and Moray Council. I ha...
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
Thank you very much. We will now move to questions, and I will start us off. Over the period of our inquiry, we have noted that public authorities generally think that they have a good understanding of the terms and aims of the PSED in Scotland. However, equality organisation...
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
Thank you very much. We will move on to questions from Tess White.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
We now have questions from Evelyn Tweed.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
We move on to questions from Marie McNair, who joins us remotely.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
We now move on to questions from Maggie Chapman.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
As members have asked all their questions, that brings this evidence session to a close. I thank the witnesses for their evidence this morning. We will suspend briefly to allow for a changeover of witnesses. 11:15 Meeting suspended. 11:20 On resuming—
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
Welcome back, and I welcome to the meeting our second panel. Kaukab Stewart, the Minister for Equalities, is accompanied by the following Scottish Government officials: Nick Bland, deputy director, mainstreaming and inclusion; Catherine McMeeken, deputy director, equality; and...
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
Thank you. We move to questions from members.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
We move to questions from Pam Gosal.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
We move to questions from Paul O’Kane.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
We move on to questions from Marie McNair, who joins us remotely.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
We will go back to Maggie Chapman.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
I call Tess White.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
Are members content that they have asked all the questions that they wish to ask? Members indicated agreement.
The Convener SNP Committee
18 Mar 2025
Public Sector Equality Duty
Thank you. That concludes our formal business in public. I thank the minister and her officials again for attending. We now move into private session to consider the remaining items on our agenda. 12:53 Meeting continued in private until 12:57.
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Committee
15 May 2025
Committee Effectiveness Inquiry
We are here to uphold democracy and to be the voice of the people who elected us to come here. That includes scrutinising the Government and making good law, but that scrutiny does not stop when a bill is presented at stage 1; it is an on-going process, because law and democra...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
29 May 2025
Bosnian Genocide in Srebrenica (30th Anniversary)
I thank my colleague Michelle Thomson for bringing this vitally important motion before the Parliament. The 30th anniversary of the genocide in Srebrenica is not only a time to mourn the 8,372 lives lost; it is a time to reflect on the responsibilities that we carry as parlia...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP Chamber
19 Jun 2025
National Advisory Council on Women and Girls Equality Recommendations
I am proud to speak in support of the Scottish Government’s motion and to welcome the publication of the first annual statement on gender policy coherence. It is a long overdue step that will start to hold us accountable to the promises that we have made to women and girls in ...
The Convener (Karen Adam) SNP Committee
17 Jun 2025
Decisions on Taking Business in Private
Good morning, and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2025, in session 6, of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received no apologies. Under our first agenda item, we will take a decision on whether to take agenda items 5 to 8 in private. Agenda item...
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you all very much. We will move on to questions from Paul McLennan.
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Leah Rivka has indicated that she would like to come in as well.
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Before I bring in Maggie Chapman, Rhoda Grant would like to ask a supplementary question.
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Before we move on to questions from Rhoda Grant, I just want to say that we had earmarked an hour for this evidence session. We have now hit the hour mark and we still have more questions, so I ask members and witnesses to please be succinct.
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you very much. That concludes our questions for the first panel. I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow the witnesses to change over. 10:11 Meeting suspended. 10:13 On resuming—
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Welcome back. I welcome the second panel of witnesses: Dr Alejandro Sanchez is the human rights lead for the National Secular Society and Fraser Sutherland is the chief executive officer of the Humanist Society Scotland. Thank you for joining us. We will move straight to quest...
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We now have questions from Maggie Chapman.
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I seek clarification on something that you mentioned, Fraser. You said that you would prefer that RME was not included in the bill, but then you praised RME. The legislation will allow a child to opt in to that.
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In the first place.
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you for that clarification.
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That concludes the evidence session. I thank the witnesses for their participation. We will suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a change of witnesses. 10:48 Meeting suspended. 10:53 On resuming—
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome to the meeting our third panel of witnesses. We are joined in person by Dr Conor Hill and Melissa Murray, both of whom are lecturers in law at Glasgow Caledonian University; Professor Angela O’Hagan, chair, and Caitlin Fitzgerald, legal and policy co-ordinator, UNCRC...
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Absolutely. Professor O’Hagan, can you tell us about your experience of how the right to withdraw currently works in schools?
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Absolutely. Thank you. 11:00
The Convener SNP Committee
30 Sep 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Rachel, would you like to come in?
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee 18 March 2025

18 Mar 2025 · S6 · Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Item of business
Public Sector Equality Duty
Adam, Karen SNP Banffshire and Buchan Coast Watch on SPTV

Good morning and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2025 in session 6 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have no apologies today. Marie McNair will be joining us online.

Our first agenda item is our final evidence sessions on the operation of the public sector equality duty in Scotland. The PSED is a legal requirement for public authorities in Scotland, which, under the duty, must consider equality when carrying out their functions. The Scottish Government is making reforms to the duty and this inquiry will be an opportunity to explore those reforms and consider how they might improve the delivery of the duty.

We will hear from two panels this morning, and I welcome our first panel. Representing the Equality and Human Rights Commission Scotland, we have John Wilkes, head of Scotland; Jennifer Laughland, head of Scotland legal; and Bill Stevenson, Scotland compliance manager. You are all very welcome; thank you for attending this morning.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2. Before beginning the session, I remind all members that rule 7.5.1 of the Parliament’s standing orders prevents members from referring to any matter in relation to which legal proceedings are active, except to the extent permitted by the Presiding Officer. I advise members that Sandie Peggie’s employment tribunal case against NHS Fife is considered active for the purposes of the sub judice rule and contempt of court. I have sought and received permission from the Presiding Officer about the extent to which we can explore matters related to the case today and throughout the course of our PSED inquiry. On the basis of that permission, questions about issues connected to the case will be admissible today, but questions about the specifics of the case will not.

Before we move to questions, I invite John Wilkes to make a short opening statement.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Karen Adam) SNP
Good morning and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2025 in session 6 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have no apologies today. ...
John Wilkes (Equality and Human Rights Commission Scotland)
Thank you, convener. I thank the committee for the opportunity to give evidence to this inquiry into the effectiveness of the public sector equality duties i...
The Convener SNP
Thank you very much. We will now move to questions, and I will start us off. Over the period of our inquiry, we have noted that public authorities generally...
John Wilkes
I am going to hand over to Bill Stevenson, who leads on this area and has lots of observations that will help the committee.
Bill Stevenson (Equality and Human Rights Commission Scotland)
When we consider compliance with the PSED, we need to split the issue into two distinct parts. First, there is top-line compliance—in other words, do public ...
The Convener SNP
Thank you very much. We will move on to questions from Tess White.
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
When we looked at the feedback from the committee’s call for evidence on the PSED, we found that 80 per cent of the respondents indicated that public bodies ...
John Wilkes
I am not clear what organisations you might be referring to, but I think that public bodies, in setting their equality outcomes, need to consider the equalit...
Tess White Con
I think that you have answered the question, thank you. That is really helpful. You talked about organisations that offer. What about the organisations that...
John Wilkes
Ultimately, it is down to the individual public authority to gather as much evidence and data as it can from whatever sources that it feels are appropriate a...
Tess White Con
So the data is important.
John Wilkes
Yes.
Tess White Con
Do you agree—a yes or no answer would be helpful—that impact assessments of policies or policy changes that affect sex-based rights should involve input from...
John Wilkes
It is important that any public authority that is looking at a policy initiative or a service provision initiative should be doing an equality impact assessm...
Tess White Con
You used the word “balance” at the start, so my final question on this is, do you agree that when doing impact assessments—which are very important for the P...
John Wilkes
That can be the situation. One of the requirements of public authorities in that regard is to take evidence and to consult with communities. I watched some o...
Tess White Con
What about balance and prioritising one protected characteristic over another?
John Wilkes
It depends on which policy or service you are looking at, but you would expect to get a range of inputs from people with different protected characteristics ...
Tess White Con
But data is important.
John Wilkes
Data is very important to this—absolutely.
Tess White Con
Thank you.
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Good morning. Thank you for joining us this morning and for your comments so far. I will pick up on points about consistency and the overall impact. John, i...
Bill Stevenson
I think that the figures that you are referring to may be quite old. As John Wilkes said earlier, measuring up ran from 2013 to 2017. If that is the source, ...
Maggie Chapman Green
I suppose that that thematic or sectoral approach allows you to get into the nitty-gritty with the different agencies and authorities involved. That kind of ...
John Wilkes
A lot of the protected characteristics represent a range of different things. Disability, as a global term, represents a range of physical and neurological d...
Maggie Chapman Green
If there are particular groups that are having difficulties realising their equalities rights and human rights, is PSED the right tool to ensure that we, as ...
John Wilkes
Like any tool, the PSED can be quite blunt. A lot of the issues with compliance relate to compliance with process. Our view is that we should move into a pha...
Maggie Chapman Green
You mentioned the Gypsy Traveller community, which is one group of people with protected characteristics that, for a range of reasons, often falls through th...
John Wilkes
It is correct that the public sector equality duty applies to everybody who happens to be here, irrespective of their immigration status. That is not always ...
Maggie Chapman Green
It is about public authorities understanding that the PSED could be a tool but that it will not necessarily solve problems relating to someone’s immigration ...