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Plenary, 03 Dec 2009

03 Dec 2009 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Getting it Right for Every Child
Fraser, Murdo Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV
When I saw that a debate on GIRFEC was scheduled for this afternoon, I wondered why we were having another debate on the subject just short of three months since our previous debate. Certainly, this afternoon's debate stands in marked contrast to this morning's rather more lively kick-around on education policy. Nonetheless, the debate has been valuable and, if anything, might prove to be more important in the long run than our debate earlier today.

We have heard some excellent speeches from different sides in the debate. In particular, I was struck—as I always am—by Duncan McNeil's speech, which brought to our attention some startling and sobering statistics about the high mortality rate among young children who are under referral. His comments should be a wake-up call to us all, but I particularly want to hear from the minister, when he winds up the debate, what action he intends to take to address the issues that have now been brought to the Government's attention.

The Highland pathfinder report was mentioned by several members—Mary Scanlon went into it in some detail—including the minister. In his opening speech, he set out some of the pathfinder project's successes, especially the important outcome of a reduction in the number of children on the child protection register. From my reading of the report, a key success of the Highland pathfinder project has been the reduction in bureaucracy, which has allowed professionals to spend less time writing reports and attending internal meetings and has freed up more time for direct work with children. Another outcome is better information sharing, with a move away from using paper records, which are terribly time consuming and hard to access, to keeping electronic records. That has also reduced the burden on staff. Therefore, I very much welcome the minister's commitment to implement the GIRFEC programme throughout Scotland on the back of the successful pilot in the Highlands.

The important role of midwives and health visitors was mentioned by the minister and by several members, including Dr Ian McKee, who highlighted the important role that they play in dealing with low-birth-weight babies. On Monday, I met members of NHS Tayside's community midwifery service at Perth royal infirmary. I should perhaps declare an interest, in that my family has recently—albeit not as recently as Mr Hepburn's family—utilised the midwives' excellent services. From my encounter with them, I discovered an extremely interesting point about midwives' level of contact with families—both mothers-to-be and new mothers—in the home. Given that GPs now perform very few home visits and none at all out of hours—the situation has moved on considerably from perhaps a generation ago, when many GPs were familiar, through home visits, with the environment in which their patients lived—the few health professionals who still visit people in their homes include midwives and health visitors. That contact with families in the home enables those health professionals to identify, at an early stage, likely problem areas and potentially vulnerable groups.

We have heard a great deal about the importance of early intervention. Mary Scanlon mentioned the consequences of the neglect of children under two, which is a crucial factor in poor health outcomes later in life. Given that we understand the importance of early intervention, we must be able to identify the problem areas, which is why midwives and health visitors play such an important role. As my Conservative colleagues have said on a number of occasions, we support additional investment in health visitors and think that we should protect the investment in midwives, on whom more and more responsibility is being placed. They are doing a vital job, but they need to be properly resourced.

There has been some discussion of children's hearings, about which Karen Whitefield and Elizabeth Smith raised concerns. I agree with Ross Finnie, who welcomed the withdrawal of the Government's initial proposals on the children's hearings system. We look forward to engaging with the Government when it brings new plans to update and reform that system.

I was struck by the excellent points in the briefing from Children 1st, which I read in advance of the debate, two of which I want to highlight. First, it states:

"The Scottish child protection system does not need more strategies or tick boxes around child protection. Instead it needs the resource, training and confidence to allow professionals to make good, supported decisions that are in the best interests of the child."

In other words, we must focus on resources and training. Secondly, there needs to be

"Stable and adequate funding for the voluntary sector, particularly for services which provide therapeutic support after abuse".

We all know—because we have debated the issue many times—that serious times are coming for the public finances and that serious cuts will have to be made. The temptation, particularly at local government level, is to let the voluntary sector bear the brunt of those cuts in the first instance. That is what often happens, because councils want to preserve core services and direct employment. Children 1st asks us to ensure that we do not put the voluntary sector in the firing line and that we safeguard the vital services that it provides.

We will support the Government's motion and the Labour amendment, which makes the important point that the HMIE report showed that

"almost half of the 30 councils inspected were assessed as weak or unsatisfactory in relation to the assessment of risks and needs".

That was referred to by Karen Whitefield and elaborated on by Hugh Henry. We must put that right. I hope that we can now begin the process of ensuring that our councils are up to the job of protecting our most vulnerable children.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan): SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-5335, in the name of Adam Ingram, on getting it right for every child.
The Minister for Children and Early Years (Adam Ingram): SNP
There is no more important task than ensuring that we get it right for Scotland's children. They are part of our society now, and they will mould the way in ...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab
I welcome this important debate. There is nothing in the Government's motion with which I or my Labour colleagues disagree. However, we feel that a number of...
Elizabeth Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
The Scottish Conservatives warmly welcome today's debate on getting it right for every child and the continued programme of work to improve services for vuln...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD
I welcome the opportunity to speak in a debate that enables Liberal Democrats to restate our support for the GIRFEC agenda. As others have done, I commend th...
Angela Constance (Livingston) (SNP): SNP
On balance, I agree with the Aberlour Child Care Trust's conclusions on the evaluation of GIRFEC so far. It states in its briefing that much has been achieve...
David Whitton (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab): Lab
First, I apologise in advance for having to leave the chamber after my speech in order to attend another meeting.My colleague Karen Whitefield outlined Labou...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
No member in the chamber will argue against the principles of getting it right for every child—who can sensibly take an opposing view? However, it is one thi...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab
I welcome the opportunity to participate in the debate and discuss the motion. Members are right to highlight the progress that has been made, but we must re...
Adam Ingram: SNP
Will the member give way?
Duncan McNeil: Lab
Yes, but I ask the minister to be quick. I do not have as much time as he has.
Adam Ingram: SNP
At the moment, early identification and intervention are not embedded in our systems. That is what we hope GIRFEC will do if it is implemented throughout the...
Duncan McNeil: Lab
We live in hope but at this point we cannot ignore the SCRA's hard, hard messages.The SCRA report also highlights specific issues about the power of child pr...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
I am pleased to speak in this afternoon's debate and welcome the Highland GIRFEC report's measuring of outcomes, putting the child's needs at the heart of de...
Christina McKelvie (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
The amendment states:"almost half of the 30 councils inspected were assessed as weak or unsatisfactory in relation to the assessment of risks and needs".Elev...
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson): NPA
I call Hugh Henry. You have quite a long time really, Mr Henry.
Hugh Henry (Paisley South) (Lab): Lab
That was a dangerous exhortation, Presiding Officer.There is no doubt that, as is wider civic society in Scotland, all members are committed to the principle...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green): Green
In the light of the reassurances that I have repeatedly received in Parliament in response to questions about home visiting, and given the figures that Mary ...
Hugh Henry: Lab
We are duty bound to review any area of activity in which there is a sign of weakness. Home visiting is critical, because often it can pick up some of the we...
Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): LD
I rise in support of the motion in the name of the minister. I am heartened by the progress that has been shown in the getting it right pathfinder project in...
Mary Scanlon: Con
Does Jamie Stone share my concern about the demise of health visiting, especially in his home town of Tain? Health visitors have provided an excellent servic...
Jamie Stone: LD
The issue is perhaps not entirely connected to the subject of the debate, but Mary Scanlon makes a valid point. The issue will have been raised with her as m...
Jamie Hepburn (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
Presiding Officer, is there still some leeway in the time that you are allocating to speeches?
The Presiding Officer: NPA
There is a certain amount.
Jamie Hepburn: SNP
Thank you. In that case, I will declare an interest. I recently became a father—Applause. The debate seems to have greater relevance for me than it might hav...
Ross Finnie (West of Scotland) (LD): LD
Liberal Democrats have always supported the getting it right for every child policy. That is not surprising, because it touches on elements of Liberal philos...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
I am afraid that I must hurry you.
Ross Finnie: LD
The issue is highlighted in the Health and Sport Committee's report on that matter, which I hope the minister will respond to constructively. I hope that the...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
When I saw that a debate on GIRFEC was scheduled for this afternoon, I wondered why we were having another debate on the subject just short of three months s...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab
It has been an interesting debate, in which there have been many significant speeches by members of all parties.It seems to me that the Labour amendment acts...