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Plenary, 03 Dec 2009

03 Dec 2009 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Getting it Right for Every Child
Scanlon, Mary Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV
I am pleased to speak in this afternoon's debate and welcome the Highland GIRFEC report's measuring of outcomes, putting the child's needs at the heart of decision making and ensuring that there is less bureaucracy and improved communication between agencies, which my colleague Liz Smith referred to.

On the back of this morning's education debate, it is worth acknowledging the improvement in the educational attainment of the weakest children. In these financially challenging times, all that can be achieved with potential reductions in cost—as Margaret Smith referred to—and, I hope, the earlier detection of problems.

I particularly commend the action taken in Highland given the tragic death of Danielle Reid in Inverness some years ago. The death of that child highlighted many failings in interagency working and communication. Although we welcome the excellent progress that Highland has made, we cannot ignore the issue that the Labour amendment raises today, acknowledging that the HMIE report said that half of Scotland's councils

"were assessed as weak or unsatisfactory in relation to the assessment of risks and needs".

This week, the Health and Sport Committee held a discussion on information technology, clinical portals, patient confidentiality, telehealth and telemedicine. Although I note that the SNP motion

"notes progress under the eCare framework",

there is no doubt that we have a long way to go to embrace, share and utilise the new technologies that will undoubtedly enhance the care and support of people across Scotland. Leadership is sadly lacking on that project, and for too long children and others have suffered as agencies work in their silos, refusing to share information that would lead to a holistic approach to addressing a child's needs. I commend the work done in Highland to address that issue, but everything that we welcome and commend today can work only when the agencies are aware of the needs of the child or young person.

The Health and Sport Committee recently conducted an inquiry into child and adult mental health services. The report has not yet been scheduled for debate in the Parliament, but it is appropriate to raise some of the issues on the back of some of the points that Ian McKee made. A particular point is the lack of health visitors in Scotland to advise and support parents with young children. In Inverness, after their 15-month immunisation, a child will next see a health visitor at the age of five, when they start school. Without the standard health checks and support, there can be no doubt that many children slip through the net.

An Audit Scotland report from July 2008 stated that 40 per cent of children in Highland waited for more than eight weeks for a first assessment by the community mental health team. Some waited for more than a year. For very young children, we were told, there is a window of opportunity for addressing mental health issues at a certain age. If that opportunity is missed, the consequences are lifelong poor mental health and many other issues. In committee, Dr Phil Wilson pointed out that there is a

"big increase in the evidence base on what works to stop the bad things happening"

and that early neglect, before the age of two, is the strongest predictor for later childhood mental health problems. There is strong evidence that children with problematic behaviour at two-and-a-half years of age are highly likely to end up with major problems later in life. Dr Wilson also told the committee that

"it is possible to predict at the age of three as many as 70 per cent of the children who will end up as in-patients"—[Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 25 March 2009; c 1728, 1734.]

in psychiatric hospitals or in prisons.

For all those reasons, I welcome the GIRFEC approach. However, as Dr Wilson stated, children had been completely forgotten and, as a result, no health visitors are being trained in NHS Highland. Elsewhere in Scotland, the service is patchy, to say the least. Although we can all congratulate and commend GIRFEC, it works only when the children who are in need are identified. Unfortunately, the demise of the health visiting profession means that many more children will not be identified at the early stages and will not get the help that they need.

I am pleased that Adam Ingram is the minister in charge of the programme. He has a proven record of commitment to mental health, given that he chaired the cross-party group in the Scottish Parliament on mental health in the first two sessions of the Parliament. I am aware of that, because I was his vice-convener for all those years. I place on record my congratulations to Highland Council, but I highlight the many failings in the system in identifying children in need. I have no doubt that those issues will be given greater prominence when the Health and Sport Committee debate on child and adult mental health services is scheduled in the Parliament.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan): SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-5335, in the name of Adam Ingram, on getting it right for every child.
The Minister for Children and Early Years (Adam Ingram): SNP
There is no more important task than ensuring that we get it right for Scotland's children. They are part of our society now, and they will mould the way in ...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab
I welcome this important debate. There is nothing in the Government's motion with which I or my Labour colleagues disagree. However, we feel that a number of...
Elizabeth Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
The Scottish Conservatives warmly welcome today's debate on getting it right for every child and the continued programme of work to improve services for vuln...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD
I welcome the opportunity to speak in a debate that enables Liberal Democrats to restate our support for the GIRFEC agenda. As others have done, I commend th...
Angela Constance (Livingston) (SNP): SNP
On balance, I agree with the Aberlour Child Care Trust's conclusions on the evaluation of GIRFEC so far. It states in its briefing that much has been achieve...
David Whitton (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab): Lab
First, I apologise in advance for having to leave the chamber after my speech in order to attend another meeting.My colleague Karen Whitefield outlined Labou...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
No member in the chamber will argue against the principles of getting it right for every child—who can sensibly take an opposing view? However, it is one thi...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab
I welcome the opportunity to participate in the debate and discuss the motion. Members are right to highlight the progress that has been made, but we must re...
Adam Ingram: SNP
Will the member give way?
Duncan McNeil: Lab
Yes, but I ask the minister to be quick. I do not have as much time as he has.
Adam Ingram: SNP
At the moment, early identification and intervention are not embedded in our systems. That is what we hope GIRFEC will do if it is implemented throughout the...
Duncan McNeil: Lab
We live in hope but at this point we cannot ignore the SCRA's hard, hard messages.The SCRA report also highlights specific issues about the power of child pr...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
I am pleased to speak in this afternoon's debate and welcome the Highland GIRFEC report's measuring of outcomes, putting the child's needs at the heart of de...
Christina McKelvie (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
The amendment states:"almost half of the 30 councils inspected were assessed as weak or unsatisfactory in relation to the assessment of risks and needs".Elev...
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson): NPA
I call Hugh Henry. You have quite a long time really, Mr Henry.
Hugh Henry (Paisley South) (Lab): Lab
That was a dangerous exhortation, Presiding Officer.There is no doubt that, as is wider civic society in Scotland, all members are committed to the principle...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green): Green
In the light of the reassurances that I have repeatedly received in Parliament in response to questions about home visiting, and given the figures that Mary ...
Hugh Henry: Lab
We are duty bound to review any area of activity in which there is a sign of weakness. Home visiting is critical, because often it can pick up some of the we...
Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): LD
I rise in support of the motion in the name of the minister. I am heartened by the progress that has been shown in the getting it right pathfinder project in...
Mary Scanlon: Con
Does Jamie Stone share my concern about the demise of health visiting, especially in his home town of Tain? Health visitors have provided an excellent servic...
Jamie Stone: LD
The issue is perhaps not entirely connected to the subject of the debate, but Mary Scanlon makes a valid point. The issue will have been raised with her as m...
Jamie Hepburn (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
Presiding Officer, is there still some leeway in the time that you are allocating to speeches?
The Presiding Officer: NPA
There is a certain amount.
Jamie Hepburn: SNP
Thank you. In that case, I will declare an interest. I recently became a father—Applause. The debate seems to have greater relevance for me than it might hav...
Ross Finnie (West of Scotland) (LD): LD
Liberal Democrats have always supported the getting it right for every child policy. That is not surprising, because it touches on elements of Liberal philos...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
I am afraid that I must hurry you.
Ross Finnie: LD
The issue is highlighted in the Health and Sport Committee's report on that matter, which I hope the minister will respond to constructively. I hope that the...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
When I saw that a debate on GIRFEC was scheduled for this afternoon, I wondered why we were having another debate on the subject just short of three months s...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab
It has been an interesting debate, in which there have been many significant speeches by members of all parties.It seems to me that the Labour amendment acts...