Chamber
Plenary, 10 Sep 2009
10 Sep 2009 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Fire and Rescue Framework
I am grateful to the minister for his assertion that the Government has an open mind on governance issues. That chimes with his opening speech, in which he said that the Government does not want
"a postcode lottery in fire cover".
We can all agree with that, and I welcome it.
We cannot have a situation that leads to a lack of coherence in the approach and delivery of other matters, such as training strategy, procurement policy and appointments and promotion criteria. The lack of a uniform approach in certain areas potentially compromises public safety and the safety of the workforce, and so cannot be allowed to continue. Therefore, I welcome the minister's promise.
I also ask the minister to accept the FBU's argument—which seems incontrovertible—that
"the requirements of an Act of Parliament take precedence over the terms of a Concordat."
That is a truism. I hope that the minister also sees the common sense in the FBU's suggested solution to this serious problem, which is that the ministerial advisory group should, because it seems to be the most suitable vehicle, be the body that must meet the requirements of the act in terms of national resilience. That would allow ministers to give direction, set common standards and determine national strategies, while taking proper account of the views of all the fire service stakeholders who are represented on it. If that solution is accepted by ministers, it will improve delivery of public safety. What could be more important?
When Parliament passed the 2005 act, no one envisaged the unintended consequences to which I and other members have referred. Members who speak after me will refer to further unintended results of that legislation. The draft framework presents the Government and Parliament with an ideal opportunity to listen to the concerns that are being voiced by those who work in the front line, and to acknowledge deficiencies and rectify them. The minister has promised that he will listen to the worries that are expressed by members today, and that he will revise the framework accordingly.
"a postcode lottery in fire cover".
We can all agree with that, and I welcome it.
We cannot have a situation that leads to a lack of coherence in the approach and delivery of other matters, such as training strategy, procurement policy and appointments and promotion criteria. The lack of a uniform approach in certain areas potentially compromises public safety and the safety of the workforce, and so cannot be allowed to continue. Therefore, I welcome the minister's promise.
I also ask the minister to accept the FBU's argument—which seems incontrovertible—that
"the requirements of an Act of Parliament take precedence over the terms of a Concordat."
That is a truism. I hope that the minister also sees the common sense in the FBU's suggested solution to this serious problem, which is that the ministerial advisory group should, because it seems to be the most suitable vehicle, be the body that must meet the requirements of the act in terms of national resilience. That would allow ministers to give direction, set common standards and determine national strategies, while taking proper account of the views of all the fire service stakeholders who are represented on it. If that solution is accepted by ministers, it will improve delivery of public safety. What could be more important?
When Parliament passed the 2005 act, no one envisaged the unintended consequences to which I and other members have referred. Members who speak after me will refer to further unintended results of that legislation. The draft framework presents the Government and Parliament with an ideal opportunity to listen to the concerns that are being voiced by those who work in the front line, and to acknowledge deficiencies and rectify them. The minister has promised that he will listen to the worries that are expressed by members today, and that he will revise the framework accordingly.
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The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson):
NPA
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The Minister for Community Safety (Fergus Ewing):
SNP
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Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
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Fergus Ewing:
SNP
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Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab):
Lab
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Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD):
LD
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Alasdair Allan (Western Isles) (SNP):
SNP
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Robert Brown:
LD
I think that I am right in saying that my colleague, the former member of the European Parliament for the Scottish Liberal Democrats, took a particular view ...
John Lamont (Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con):
Con
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The Presiding Officer:
NPA
We come to the open debate. I repeat that we have some flexibility with time, so members should feel free to take interventions.
Stewart Maxwell (West of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
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Robert Brown:
LD
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Stewart Maxwell:
SNP
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Bill Butler (Glasgow Anniesland) (Lab):
Lab
I express my sincere condolences to the family of Ewan Williamson for their grievous loss. I also state my admiration for the bravery of my fellow trade unio...
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
It might be useful to make it clear that the Government has an entirely open mind in respect of governance issues. We appreciate and have discussed with the ...
Bill Butler:
Lab
I am grateful to the minister for his assertion that the Government has an open mind on governance issues. That chimes with his opening speech, in which he s...
Angela Constance (Livingston) (SNP):
SNP
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Peter Peacock (Highlands and Islands) (Lab):
Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan):
SNP
That is a good time to stop, certainly.
Jim Tolson (Dunfermline West) (LD):
LD
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Fergus Ewing:
SNP
Is the member aware that I have an excellent relationship with Mr Raeburn from his party?
Jim Tolson:
LD
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Jamie Hepburn (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
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Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
Lab
It would be hard to criticise the Scottish Government's motion or the minister's sincere speech. However, I am sure the minister agrees that there are issues...
Nigel Don (North East Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
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Stewart Maxwell:
SNP
I appreciate that we are in the early days and that there are not many statistics on the impact. We should not jump to conclusions too early, but it is certa...
Nigel Don:
SNP
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Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab):
Lab
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Christina McKelvie (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I add my condolences to those of my colleagues from throughout the Parliament to Ewan Williamson's family, friends and colleagues. I pay tribute to all our f...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab):
Lab
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