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Plenary, 14 Mar 2007

14 Mar 2007 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
My amendment 6 proposes universal provision of free, nutritious school meals. We support universal provision because, if we are to give children the chance to have nutritious school meals, we should ensure that all children get the chance to eat those meals.

I begin by thanking the free school meals campaign. In particular, I acknowledge the work of the Child Poverty Action Group, One Plus, the Scottish Trades Union Congress women's committee, Unison and the many others who joined the campaign. I thank them for the solid support that they have provided since 2001, when Tommy Sheridan first raised the matter in a member's bill.

Capability Scotland states:

"Capability Scotland's own research—through our 1 in 4 poll which surveys a panel of disabled people, their family members and carers across Scotland—shows the following:

Nearly 40% of respondents had an income of less than £200 per week

State benefits were the main source of income for nearly 70% of respondents

Nevertheless, two thirds of families with children did not receive free school meals".

Such anomalies crop up throughout the benefits system, but extending means testing to ensure that more children are given free school meals is not the answer. The answer is to ensure that no child is left without a free, nutritious school meal.

Capability Scotland goes on to state:

"disabled families do not generally receive free school meals, despite an increased chance of living in poverty."

It points out that many disabled children have special dietary needs and that their diet would be helped if they were given free school meals.

Research by Save the Children shows that the families of many children who live in the most severe and persistent poverty do not receive benefits and therefore the children are not guaranteed to receive free school meals. I might have said this before in other debates, but I do not apologise for saying it again. In my past experience in education, I encountered families who would not fill in forms for free school meals. They refused to do so, for whatever reason—we can perhaps work out what the reasons were. That meant that the children were not given access to a decent meal and staff had to provide for them quietly at dinner time with sandwiches to take home because they were not being fed. Eventually, the children ended up at the sheriff court and were taken into care, but for about 18 months they were not provided with good meals. It is important to ensure that everyone is caught by the safety net.

We are all concerned about the figures on child obesity. What better way is there to ensure that all our children are healthy than to educate them about food and provide them with a free, nutritious school meal? Finland does that, and it has made a huge difference to the health of the nation. We can do it as well. There is no doubt in my mind that the amount of money that would be required is minimal in comparison with the long-term health benefits for the nation.

I make no apology for proposing universal provision of free school meals. I hope that members will support my amendments 6, 23, 24, 7 and 9. I am sympathetic to the other amendments in the group, but universality is the best way forward.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill. Members should have with them SP Bill 68A a...
Section 1—Duties in relation to promotion of health
The Presiding Officer: NPA
Group 1 is on duties in relation to the promotion of health. Amendment 21 is the only amendment in the group.
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green): Green
Part 1 of the bill explains that various bodies, including the Scottish ministers and education authorities, will have duties to ensure that all schools beco...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I pay tribute to my colleague Shona Robison, whose proposal for a member's bill to remove junk food and fizzy drinks from schools was a precursor to the driv...
The Minister for Education and Young People (Hugh Henry): Lab
Fiona Hyslop's point that teachers need the time to teach and cannot spend all their time compensating for some of the problems that come from the home and f...
Patrick Harvie: Green
It would be helpful if the minister could explain whether the restrictions on the advertising of products that do not meet the requirements on nutrition exte...
Hugh Henry: Lab
I will come to that point in a moment.Regardless of whether a school would advertise a product that it could not provide, a health-promoting school should pr...
Patrick Harvie: Green
I welcome and agree with much of what the minister said about the promotion and advertising of products that do not meet the requirements on nutrition, but I...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
The question is, that amendment 21 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members:
No.
The Presiding Officer: NPA
There will be a division. Since this is the first division in these proceedings, there will be a five-minute suspension.
Meeting suspended.
On resuming—
The Presiding Officer: NPA
We will proceed with the division, which will be a 30-second division.
ForAdam, Brian (Aberdeen North) (SNP) Baird, Shiona (North East Scotland) (Green) Ballance, Chris (South of Scotland) (Green) Byrne, Ms Rosemary (South of Sc...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
The result of the division is: For 29, Against 70, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 21 disagreed to.
Section 6—School meals and snacks
The Presiding Officer: NPA
Group 2 is on free school meals and snacks. Amendment 1, in the name of Tricia Marwick, is grouped with amendments 6, 22 to 24, 3, 4, 14 to 20, 25, 7, 26 and...
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
Members of the Communities Committee will know that similar amendments were discussed during stage 2, but I make no apology for bringing amendments 1, 22, 3 ...
Iain Smith (North East Fife) (LD): LD
The member said that the Liberal Democrat administration in Hull stopped the experiment, but that is not the case. The administration continued the experimen...
Tricia Marwick: SNP
That is not my understanding. I accept what the member says, but it is clear that the experiment was to go no further and that the council was going to stop ...
Ms Rosemary Byrne (South of Scotland) (Sol): Sol
My amendment 6 proposes universal provision of free, nutritious school meals. We support universal provision because, if we are to give children the chance t...
Frances Curran (West of Scotland) (SSP): SSP
When we ask parents what they want for their children, one or two will say, "I want wee Kenny to play for Scotland", or, "I'd like Kylie to win ‘The X Factor...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I refer to the comments that I made on my amendments at stage 2.During stage 1, Barnardo's Scotland referred to the"difference between the percentage of chil...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
There are three arguments for free school meals: the need to tackle poverty; the need to tackle obesity, which is a health issue; and the need to address nut...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD): LD
Will the member give way?
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
No, I will not.Let us take a bold step now and say that we want universal provision of school meals in this country. However, let us take a pragmatic approac...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab): Lab
We are discussing a progressive piece of legislation that could be made much better if we supported amendments that would enable the universal provision of f...