Chamber
Plenary, 01 Feb 2007
01 Feb 2007 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Scottish Water
I am sure that the private sector will make errors in many cases.
I was going to talk about the Welsh Water model, which of course has support from Mr Stevenson's colleagues. If I remember correctly, his colleague Mr Gibson, who is sitting beside him, lodged a motion in 2005 praising the performance of Welsh Water, which was and is the top-performing private water and sewerage company in England and Wales. Perhaps we need a bit of consistency from the Scottish National Party.
The problem with Scottish Water is that there are still inefficiencies in the system. Mark Ruskell did not mention development constraints, perhaps because the Greens do not really care about development. Such constraints continue to be a major problem and hold up development of the Scottish economy. We need to get more capital investment from Scottish Water.
The Office of Water Services—Ofwat—report from last March ranked Scottish Water behind every one of the 22 private water companies south of the border. Yes, its performance has improved in the past year, but it has not improved enough and it needs to do more. It is a pity that the conclusion that the Greens drew in their motion, that Scottish Water needs to remain in public ownership, is a complete non-sequitur in the situation that we face.
As members know, our proposal is to follow the Welsh Water model. It is a not-for-dividend model, where profits are reinvested. Need I remind members that Welsh Water is the best performing water company in the United Kingdom? It is efficient, it delivers high water quality and it delivers high levels of investment, because it can borrow money on the money markets. We do not mutualise Scottish Water purely because of the blinkered ideology of the other parties in this chamber. It is time to put the needs of the Scottish economy and the needs of water customers before dogma and to move ahead to mutualise Scottish Water.
I move S2M-5510.1, to leave out from "further notes" to end and insert:
"believes that Scottish Water is failing its customers because it is inefficient, misallocates resources, overcharges customers, particularly businesses which were overcharged by £44 million every year, and holds back much-needed development; further believes that Scottish Water must be removed from state control and transferred into a ‘not-for-dividend' organisation in line with Welsh Water, and considers that this would enable Scottish customers to benefit from the lower costs and higher levels of service enjoyed by their counterparts south of the Border."
I was going to talk about the Welsh Water model, which of course has support from Mr Stevenson's colleagues. If I remember correctly, his colleague Mr Gibson, who is sitting beside him, lodged a motion in 2005 praising the performance of Welsh Water, which was and is the top-performing private water and sewerage company in England and Wales. Perhaps we need a bit of consistency from the Scottish National Party.
The problem with Scottish Water is that there are still inefficiencies in the system. Mark Ruskell did not mention development constraints, perhaps because the Greens do not really care about development. Such constraints continue to be a major problem and hold up development of the Scottish economy. We need to get more capital investment from Scottish Water.
The Office of Water Services—Ofwat—report from last March ranked Scottish Water behind every one of the 22 private water companies south of the border. Yes, its performance has improved in the past year, but it has not improved enough and it needs to do more. It is a pity that the conclusion that the Greens drew in their motion, that Scottish Water needs to remain in public ownership, is a complete non-sequitur in the situation that we face.
As members know, our proposal is to follow the Welsh Water model. It is a not-for-dividend model, where profits are reinvested. Need I remind members that Welsh Water is the best performing water company in the United Kingdom? It is efficient, it delivers high water quality and it delivers high levels of investment, because it can borrow money on the money markets. We do not mutualise Scottish Water purely because of the blinkered ideology of the other parties in this chamber. It is time to put the needs of the Scottish economy and the needs of water customers before dogma and to move ahead to mutualise Scottish Water.
I move S2M-5510.1, to leave out from "further notes" to end and insert:
"believes that Scottish Water is failing its customers because it is inefficient, misallocates resources, overcharges customers, particularly businesses which were overcharged by £44 million every year, and holds back much-needed development; further believes that Scottish Water must be removed from state control and transferred into a ‘not-for-dividend' organisation in line with Welsh Water, and considers that this would enable Scottish customers to benefit from the lower costs and higher levels of service enjoyed by their counterparts south of the Border."
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh):
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5510, in the name of Mark Ruskell, on Scottish Water.
Mr Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green):
Green
This debate is an opportunity for all of us in the chamber—apart from the Tories—to restate our commitment to public ownership and control of Scottish Water ...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
Does the member agree with the water industry commissioner's report that, for every million gallons of expensively treated water that is produced, half a mil...
Mr Ruskell:
Green
I argue that the regulatory system is at fault. We can trade figures throughout the debate, but South West Water's charges for the coming year will be 40 per...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
Hear, hear.
Mr Ruskell:
Green
A blow for democracy over there.The view was also reported that Scottish Water should be freed from state ownership, but that was apparently a misrepresentat...
The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Sarah Boyack):
Lab
I very much welcome the debate. We have systems of managing our water networks in Scotland that are different from those in the rest of the United Kingdom. T...
Mark Ballard (Lothians) (Green):
Green
Will the minister take an intervention.
Sarah Boyack:
Lab
No thanks. I want to get started.We have a unique model: it is a third way that provides a public sector company that is directed by ministerial policy, that...
Dave Petrie:
Con
Does the minister accept that in all Scottish Water's new works it is in partnership with private companies such as Miller Group, Babtie Group and so on and ...
Sarah Boyack:
Lab
No. Scottish Water is using private companies to deliver our investment programme, which is set by Scottish ministers. It is using the best system of deliver...
Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Sarah Boyack:
Lab
No, thank you. I want to get on.That means that Scottish Water is delivering more for less. Our constituents are benefiting from lower charges, Scotland is b...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
We started this morning with a consensual debate on procurement from the Greens. I am disappointed that this debate will not produce the same cross-party con...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP):
SNP
Is the member aware that Banff and Buchan College's Peterhead centre, which is in my constituency, has just received a bill for £39,000, which represents use...
Murdo Fraser:
Con
I am sure that the private sector will make errors in many cases.I was going to talk about the Welsh Water model, which of course has support from Mr Stevens...
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
If we are to believe Murdo Fraser, privatisation is built into the model that has been delivered by the Scottish Executive. He also wants us to believe that ...
Sarah Boyack:
Lab
Would Rob Gibson like to explain specifically what model the SNP supports and how it would deliver that?
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Certainly.
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
You have one minute.
Rob Gibson:
SNP
We need a Government that is prepared to direct the process to the WIC and Scottish Water and which sets priorities that can be achieved by the accountancy m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
Your time is up.
Rob Gibson:
SNP
There is a large sewage plant at Seafield that affects 30,000 people because of the unbearable smells that come from it in the summer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
Mr Gibson, you must wind up.
Rob Gibson:
SNP
I am winding up.The Green party motion suggests that it is possible to have the current model and, with direction, ensure that it works.
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
I am sorry, Mr Gibson, but you must stop now. You are way over time.
Mr Andrew Arbuckle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD):
LD
On the way to Parliament today, I was, for a short time, critical of Scottish Water. There was a hold-up in the traffic, and it was only when I read the expl...
Mr Ruskell:
Green
Will the member give way?
Mr Arbuckle:
LD
No. I have only four minutes; otherwise, I would.Twenty years ago, the total proposed capital spend on water services and sewage works in Fife was some £5 mi...
Stewart Stevenson:
SNP
Will the member take a 10-word intervention?