Chamber
Plenary, 24 Jan 2007
24 Jan 2007 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Scottish Parliament (Disqualification) Order 2007 (Draft)
No, no. We heard more than enough from Mr Lyon during his allocated time.
In his challenge, Mr Bruce says that
"the new law would ban MSPs from holding two jobs".
At the same time, the minister's staff were saying that it would do nothing of the kind. What is this? Is it dishonesty, or is it incompetence? It has to be said that those are two qualities that we expect in equal proportions from Liberal Democrats during their campaign. The whole ridiculous speech says much more about Liberal Democrat despair about their canvass returns in Gordon than it does about whom they want to see in this Parliament.
I would like, very briefly, to address the order that the Government minister, although he is taking his salary, seemed to ignore altogether. Will the minister eventually address the problem that is implicit in the pages of the order? There are 15 pages that list the office-holders who will not be allowed to stand for election to the Scottish Parliament. Four years ago, the order had a list of 12 pages. In four years, this Government and the Government south of the border have managed to grow the quango state by 25 per cent. A total of 25 per cent more office-holders, paid by us, are not allowed to stand for Parliament. This is the Government that promised us a bonfire of the quangos: it cannot live up even to that promise, far less to any others.
To be frank, as far as I am concerned the chairman of the Covent Garden Market Authority can stand for election to the Scottish Parliament if he or she so chooses. It would then be up to the people of Scotland to accept or reject them.
We have to consider the inequality of treatment between the public and private sectors. With the increasing involvement of private industry in the public sector, there are now far too many people who are disqualified from standing if they work in the public sector but who, if they did precisely the same job in the private sector, would not be disqualified. The director of David MacBrayne Ltd would have to give up his job to stand, but the director of a private firm, running the same kind of service—if there was one, and if the Liberal Democrats could ever get the tendering procedure correct—would not be allowed to stand.
We will support the order.
In his challenge, Mr Bruce says that
"the new law would ban MSPs from holding two jobs".
At the same time, the minister's staff were saying that it would do nothing of the kind. What is this? Is it dishonesty, or is it incompetence? It has to be said that those are two qualities that we expect in equal proportions from Liberal Democrats during their campaign. The whole ridiculous speech says much more about Liberal Democrat despair about their canvass returns in Gordon than it does about whom they want to see in this Parliament.
I would like, very briefly, to address the order that the Government minister, although he is taking his salary, seemed to ignore altogether. Will the minister eventually address the problem that is implicit in the pages of the order? There are 15 pages that list the office-holders who will not be allowed to stand for election to the Scottish Parliament. Four years ago, the order had a list of 12 pages. In four years, this Government and the Government south of the border have managed to grow the quango state by 25 per cent. A total of 25 per cent more office-holders, paid by us, are not allowed to stand for Parliament. This is the Government that promised us a bonfire of the quangos: it cannot live up even to that promise, far less to any others.
To be frank, as far as I am concerned the chairman of the Covent Garden Market Authority can stand for election to the Scottish Parliament if he or she so chooses. It would then be up to the people of Scotland to accept or reject them.
We have to consider the inequality of treatment between the public and private sectors. With the increasing involvement of private industry in the public sector, there are now far too many people who are disqualified from standing if they work in the public sector but who, if they did precisely the same job in the private sector, would not be disqualified. The director of David MacBrayne Ltd would have to give up his job to stand, but the director of a private firm, running the same kind of service—if there was one, and if the Liberal Democrats could ever get the tendering procedure correct—would not be allowed to stand.
We will support the order.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman):
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5442, in the name of George Lyon, on the draft Scottish Parliament (Disqualification) Order 2007.
The Deputy Minister for Finance, Public Service Reform and Parliamentary Business (George Lyon):
LD
I begin by highlighting the unusual nature of this item of business, which relates to a wholly reserved matter that must, under the Scotland Act 1998, be con...
Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Will Mr Lyon give way?
George Lyon:
LD
I will make a little headway first. I know that the deputy leader of the Scottish National Party agrees with me, as she has repeatedly stated on the record t...
Alasdair Morgan:
SNP
As Mr Lyon is speaking in his capacity as a Government minister, I hope that he will confirm that the powers under the Scotland Act 1998 from which the order...
George Lyon:
LD
I can confirm that that is correct. I am talking about the general principles behind the order.It is clear that someone who is expected to work in London unt...
Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I suppose the best that we could say about that speech is that it was well read. I shall take no lessons on general principles from members of the Liberal De...
Nora Radcliffe (Gordon) (LD) rose—
LD
Alasdair Morgan:
SNP
I am not giving way.Is this the same Liberal party that thought that Donald Gorrie and Jim Wallace—and Andrew Arbuckle—could do two jobs at the same time? I ...
George Lyon rose—
LD
Alasdair Morgan:
SNP
No, no. We heard more than enough from Mr Lyon during his allocated time.In his challenge, Mr Bruce says that"the new law would ban MSPs from holding two job...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
When I was nominated to speak in the debate, the first thing I did was look up the debate from four years ago so that I could see what it was all about. Havi...
George Lyon:
LD
This has certainly been an interesting debate. Usually, my good colleague and friend, Mr Morgan, is a calm, collected and level-headed gentleman in debates. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Lab
Order.
George Lyon:
LD
Those people should have someone who is willing to offer their full attention, full time for the full term.I ask members to lend their support by approving t...