Chamber
Plenary, 20 Dec 2006
20 Dec 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Removing Barriers and Creating Opportunities
I will concentrate on the problems that many disabled people face with regard to physical access. The main obstacle to be overcome is complacency among people who do not have daily to overcome access problems. Until such time as we or one of our family or friends are confronted with those problems, our general attitude is one of sympathy but, sadly, that sympathy is at arm's length. The complacent attitude agrees that there is a problem but, as it only affects other people, simply turns a blind eye to the situation.
Most progress on disability awareness is down to the sterling work that is done by campaigning groups, many of which have appeared before the Equal Opportunities Committee to air their grievances. One morning, the committee heard evidence from architects, followed by evidence from wheelchair-bound constituents. The highly-qualified architects made their presentation first, and next up was a retired gentleman from Dumfries in a wheelchair, who promptly shot them all down with an extremely well-articulated tirade that culminated in a statement to the effect: "Architects—these people haven't a clue." That man implied that it is difficult for somebody who is not disabled to approach problems from a disabled person's standpoint and that, unless one is confronted daily with the problem of physical access, one cannot fully appreciate its complexity. I am inclined to agree with that point of view.
We have a mountain to climb in Scotland in that regard: we have only to consider transport as an example. Free travel for the elderly is a brilliant concept, but we must never forget that thousands of people are excluded through no fault of their own. I refer to people who cannot gain physical access to their local buses. However, the problems multiply rapidly when we examine access to trains. Most of us are familiar with the standard loudspeaker announcement that crackles and booms out, "Please mind the gap when boarding or alighting from this train." At my station in Stewarton, the step up is about 15in to 18in, plus a gap. That will have to be addressed—it is certainly not wheelchair friendly. South Ayrshire Council has set an admirable example by raising the pavement at all bus stops. That simple solution to the access problem will last for many years.
Our report contains many recommendations on physical access, so I will highlight some of them. Recommendation 140 asks that the impact of new building regulations on accessibility be closely monitored to ensure that the regulations are implemented. Recommendation 142 states that applications under the new planning laws that Parliament has considered should carry an access statement that should be closely scrutinised to ensure that it is being strictly enforced.
Recommendation 144 highlights the need for long-term resourcing for members of access panels, while recommendation 147 calls for training and guidelines for those people. Such training should be updated and scrutinised by disabled groups.
Recommendation 150 suggests that the Scottish Executive should establish national accessible-design award schemes and that local schemes should be encouraged, with the involvement of disabled people. Recommendation 155, which concerns historic buildings, states that agencies should co-operate to achieve consistent policies on physical access for disabled people, while recommendation 156 looks to Historic Scotland to lead by example in respect of ease of access for people who have disabilities.
It has been a pleasure to be a member of the Equal Opportunities Committee, but I would prefer it to have been given more power to end all sorts of inequalities. It is my considered opinion that the most unacceptable inequality in Scotland today is the gender inequality that women accept meekly in respect of pensions. Pension credits for a man are £114, but are only another £60 for his spouse. That is pensions inequality and it is not fit for purpose. Pensions provision is not a devolved issue, but surely the Scottish Parliament should be able to let our Chancellor of the Exchequer know that such downgrading of women to second-class pensioners is not acceptable in the 21st century. We should all bow our heads in shame as we pass in Parliament's public hall the exhibition on suffragettes. They got women the vote but seemed to ease up a bit instead of seeking true equality with men in every area, especially pensions.
The root of all inequality is poverty and, until the Parliament manages to eliminate poverty, we will continue to thole unacceptable inequalities.
Most progress on disability awareness is down to the sterling work that is done by campaigning groups, many of which have appeared before the Equal Opportunities Committee to air their grievances. One morning, the committee heard evidence from architects, followed by evidence from wheelchair-bound constituents. The highly-qualified architects made their presentation first, and next up was a retired gentleman from Dumfries in a wheelchair, who promptly shot them all down with an extremely well-articulated tirade that culminated in a statement to the effect: "Architects—these people haven't a clue." That man implied that it is difficult for somebody who is not disabled to approach problems from a disabled person's standpoint and that, unless one is confronted daily with the problem of physical access, one cannot fully appreciate its complexity. I am inclined to agree with that point of view.
We have a mountain to climb in Scotland in that regard: we have only to consider transport as an example. Free travel for the elderly is a brilliant concept, but we must never forget that thousands of people are excluded through no fault of their own. I refer to people who cannot gain physical access to their local buses. However, the problems multiply rapidly when we examine access to trains. Most of us are familiar with the standard loudspeaker announcement that crackles and booms out, "Please mind the gap when boarding or alighting from this train." At my station in Stewarton, the step up is about 15in to 18in, plus a gap. That will have to be addressed—it is certainly not wheelchair friendly. South Ayrshire Council has set an admirable example by raising the pavement at all bus stops. That simple solution to the access problem will last for many years.
Our report contains many recommendations on physical access, so I will highlight some of them. Recommendation 140 asks that the impact of new building regulations on accessibility be closely monitored to ensure that the regulations are implemented. Recommendation 142 states that applications under the new planning laws that Parliament has considered should carry an access statement that should be closely scrutinised to ensure that it is being strictly enforced.
Recommendation 144 highlights the need for long-term resourcing for members of access panels, while recommendation 147 calls for training and guidelines for those people. Such training should be updated and scrutinised by disabled groups.
Recommendation 150 suggests that the Scottish Executive should establish national accessible-design award schemes and that local schemes should be encouraged, with the involvement of disabled people. Recommendation 155, which concerns historic buildings, states that agencies should co-operate to achieve consistent policies on physical access for disabled people, while recommendation 156 looks to Historic Scotland to lead by example in respect of ease of access for people who have disabilities.
It has been a pleasure to be a member of the Equal Opportunities Committee, but I would prefer it to have been given more power to end all sorts of inequalities. It is my considered opinion that the most unacceptable inequality in Scotland today is the gender inequality that women accept meekly in respect of pensions. Pension credits for a man are £114, but are only another £60 for his spouse. That is pensions inequality and it is not fit for purpose. Pensions provision is not a devolved issue, but surely the Scottish Parliament should be able to let our Chancellor of the Exchequer know that such downgrading of women to second-class pensioners is not acceptable in the 21st century. We should all bow our heads in shame as we pass in Parliament's public hall the exhibition on suffragettes. They got women the vote but seemed to ease up a bit instead of seeking true equality with men in every area, especially pensions.
The root of all inequality is poverty and, until the Parliament manages to eliminate poverty, we will continue to thole unacceptable inequalities.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5293, in the name of Cathy Peattie, on behalf of the Equal Opportunities Committee, on its second report ...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD):
LD
Before I begin my remarks on behalf of the Equal Opportunities Committee, I welcome Dr Jones's comments on diversity and his previous remarks on this importa...
That the Parliament notes the conclusions and recommendations contained in the Equal Opportunities Committee’s 2nd Report, 2006 (Session 2):
Removing Barriers and Creating Opportunities (SP Paper 677).
The Minister for Communities (Malcolm Chisholm):
Lab
I thank the Equal Opportunities Committee for the fantastic job that it has done in the past two and a half years in its disability inquiry. I commend the th...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
Lab
The minister said that the committee's report goes further than that of the disability working group. Will he thoroughly consider the Equal Opportunities Com...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
Absolutely. As I said earlier, we cannot give a full response at this point. Members of the committee will accept that the report has been available to us fo...
Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
I, too, offer my condolences and deep sympathies to Cathy Peattie.I welcome the people in the public gallery who helped the committee with the report and gav...
Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
It is poignant and perhaps appropriate that we are discussing disability this morning, following the sad death last night of Lord Carter, who was a remarkabl...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
I presume that the member will encourage the Conservative group to be among the early signatories to my bill proposal to make all disabled parking bays in Sc...
Mr McGrigor:
Con
I am sure that we will do so.The committee welcomed the proposed changes to building regulations, which, if properly utilised, will bring great improvements ...
Nora Radcliffe (Gordon) (LD):
LD
I am glad that I had the opportunity to participate in the work on the report, which was thorough, wide ranging and in the best traditions of the Parliament ...
Marlyn Glen (North East Scotland) (Lab):
Lab
We have come a long way in Scotland in our work on equalities. Equal opportunity is a founding principle of the Parliament, and the Equal Opportunities Commi...
Shiona Baird (North East Scotland) (Green):
Green
I was fortunate to be a member of the Equal Opportunities Committee when it began its huge inquiry. At that time, my personal interest was in access to work....
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
Lab
I declare my registered interest as a member of the Transport and General Workers Union.As others have said, the debate is the culmination of more than two y...
Carolyn Leckie (Central Scotland) (SSP):
SSP
I record my admiration for the amount of work that went into producing the report and the long process that was required. I joined the Equal Opportunities Co...
John Swinburne (Central Scotland) (SSCUP):
SSCUP
I will concentrate on the problems that many disabled people face with regard to physical access. The main obstacle to be overcome is complacency among peopl...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
I congratulate the committee, the convener—Cathy Peattie—and the clerking team for a comprehensive report on the barriers that disabled people face and, impo...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
I pass on our condolences to Cathy Peattie and her family. I congratulate the committee on a comprehensive report. This has been a good debate that has clear...
Mr Adam Ingram (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Although I am not a member of the Equal Opportunities Committee, I congratulate it on its disability inquiry and on the publication of such a comprehensive a...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I congratulate the committee again on the significant contribution that the report represents to the future direction of disability equality in Scotland. I p...
Elaine Smith:
Lab
I am pleased to hear the minister's comments. However, I want to ask about wider trade union issues. In evidence to the committee, Des Loughney of the Scotti...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I certainly congratulate the T&G; we have also had a successful partnership with the STUC on the campaign that Elaine Smith mentioned. Obviously, the matter ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman):
Lab
You have enough time. I will tell you when you are running out of it.
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I should say something about lifelong learning, which has not featured too much in the debate, although I am sure that it will feature in Marilyn Livingstone...
John Swinburne:
SSCUP
Will the minister acknowledge the grand work that is being done by the people in the gallery who are using sign language? Their conveying of what is being sa...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I acknowledge the invaluable sign language work that is being done in the Parliament and throughout Scotland. We have recently sought to support and expand t...
Marilyn Livingstone (Kirkcaldy) (Lab):
Lab
I thank Cathy Peattie for her first-class convenership of meetings in which evidence was taken for this important inquiry and for her commitment to ensuring ...
Elaine Smith:
Lab
Carolyn Leckie told us that only 45 per cent of disabled people are in work. During evidence, we heard that only 6 per cent of people with ASD are in employm...
Marilyn Livingstone:
Lab
Yes, I will. That work is an exemplar of best practice and the National Autistic Society is to be congratulated on it. I know that Elaine Smith has done much...
Meeting suspended until 14:00.