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Plenary, 09 Nov 2006

09 Nov 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Violence Against Women
Petrie, Dave Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV
We will be supporting the motion. The fact that many women in Scotland are still facing the horror of domestic abuse is an incredible statistic with Dickensian parallels. Throughout my investigations into this matter, I was appalled by some of the facts and figures that I came across, such as the fact that one in every five women experiences domestic abuse at some point in her life, which is a horrifying statistic. Domestic abuse is an horrendous crime and when it is reported it needs to be tackled with all the severity of the law.

Although the number of reported instances of domestic abuse has continued to rise, Executive policy has tended to focus on the judicial penalties to be applied after an act has taken place. I remember the Labour Party promising not so long ago to be tough on crime and the causes of crime, but that seems to have been abandoned in a range of areas.

It is undeniable that we have an increasingly violent society. Violent crime is on the increase, as are violent images on television, in films and in computer games. A more violent society will lead to a rise in violent domestic abuse. Such a crime does not develop independently of society.

There is, regrettably, also a child protection aspect to this issue that needs to be taken into consideration, because 40 to 60 per cent of domestic abuse cases also involve a child.

I was pleased to see our party take the unprecedented step in 2002 of producing a domestic violence poster. Such steps go a long way towards dealing with the issue. Publicity is an invaluable tool, as it enables many to identify circumstances in which the victim is too scared to speak out. I am pleased that there have been similar initiatives by other organisations and government bodies. I hope that those in the teaching, medical and policing professions will also have the relevant training and awareness to identify an individual who is in need of help. How much better would it be, though, if that awareness extended to working environments such as the office, the shop and the factory?

Additionally, the publicising and promotion of existing legal protection are important. A report in 2003 on the awareness of the Protection from Abuse (Scotland) Act 2001 revealed disappointing findings. Some 87 per cent of previous victims and a number of professionals had either no understanding or a limited understanding of the act and the protection that it offers.

Another aspect of improving the reporting of incidents is faith in the justice system. Unfortunately, that has been decreasing in recent years, mostly as a consequence of the widespread early release schemes. At stage 2 of the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill, Bill Aitken's attempt to introduce measures to reduce remission to one sixth of a sentence for short-term and long-term prisoners, rather than the current half or two thirds, was voted down by Labour, the SNP and the Liberal Democrats. This matter is all about trust. If we are to encourage highly vulnerable women—and we must remember that, on average, two women a week are killed by their partners or former partners—to report matters to the police and stick with the system, they have to feel that the system is on their side and will stay with them throughout the process. There are two things that urgently need to be done in that regard. The first is that we must end automatic early releases and the second is that we must establish a three-strikes-and-you're-out policy.

Finally, it is important that we consider why such cases are occurring. What is wrong with our society that means that many men are unable to cope and think that it is acceptable to take that out on their partners? Why have we become so violent? What are we going to do about it? Time is not on our side.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5109, in the name of Malcolm Chisholm, on violence against women.
The Minister for Communities (Malcolm Chisholm): Lab
This is the 16th year of the United Nations campaign of activism to end violence against women, and I am proud that the Parliament is again discussing male v...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
The minister mentions 600 updated spaces since 2000. I want to get my figures right. From the website of Scottish Women's Aid, I have a figure of 234 refuge ...
Malcolm Chisholm: Lab
I am giving the figure of 600 for new, adapted, refurbished or upgraded spaces since 2000. I do not know what the figure of 234 refers to.We are pleased to c...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I note the terms of the Government's motion and I note the minister's words. We on this side of the chamber will be supporting the motion. The minister did n...
Carolyn Leckie (Central Scotland) (SSP): SSP
I welcome the debate and I will support the Executive motion—that is a rare occurrence. I congratulate the Minister for Communities and the Deputy Minister f...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
We will be supporting the motion. The fact that many women in Scotland are still facing the horror of domestic abuse is an incredible statistic with Dickensi...
Nora Radcliffe (Gordon) (LD): LD
In 1999, the United Nations adopted November 25 as the international day for the elimination of violence against women. That violence includes domestic viole...
Cathy Peattie (Falkirk East) (Lab): Lab
I welcome the motion, which comes in the run-up to the 16 days of activism against gender violence. The 16 days run from 25 November, which is the internatio...
John Swinburne (Central Scotland) (SSCUP): SSCUP
Does the member agree that we insult men by accusing them of such abuse? The people who commit such crimes—they are crimes—against women are less than men an...
Cathy Peattie: Lab
I want John Swinburne and other men in the Parliament to say that to the men concerned. The perpetrators are men—in general, it is men who commit such violen...
Shiona Baird (North East Scotland) (Green): Green
As the motion highlights, we have a great history of women's rights activism in Scotland. This week, I visited the Eighteen and Under centre in Dundee, which...
Maureen Macmillan (Highlands and Islands) (Lab): Lab
I refer members to my entry in the register of members' interests. The motion is partly a tribute to the work done by local women's groups over the years to ...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP): SNP
The experience of this man—I am grateful for the opportunity to participate in the debate—as an MSP is probably, alas, not dissimilar to that of others. I th...
Ms Rosemary Byrne (South of Scotland) (Sol): Sol
I, too, welcome the debate, and congratulate Scottish Women's Aid, and rape crisis centres and other voluntary sector projects on the excellent work that the...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab
"She dressed the wrong way." "She walked in the wrong place." "She said the wrong thing." "She was asking for it." Sadly, in certain sections of Scottish soc...
Carolyn Leckie: SSP
We have had a good discussion this afternoon rather than a debate. One of the best things about it has been that we have not had the ritual of Mike Rumbles t...
Nora Radcliffe: LD
This has been a passionate, articulate and well-informed debate. I want to continue by quoting from the inaugural professorial lecture that was given in 2001...
Cathy Peattie: Lab
Does the member think that it is more appropriate to use the phrase "domestic violence" than it is to use the word "abuse"? Although it is abuse, we must rec...
Nora Radcliffe: LD
I take Cathy Peattie's point, but I refer her to what other members have said about the mental undermining of people. Cathy Peattie's point is well made but ...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con): Con
As Carolyn Leckie said, this has been a good debate and it has been largely consensual. Perhaps uncharacteristically, I will not seek to break that consensus...
Christine Grahame: SNP
I am hoping that Mr Aitken will get to the point of addressing our amendment, which I surmise from his comments the Conservatives will not support. I ask him...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman): Lab
You should be finishing, Mr Aitken.
Christine Grahame: SNP
I intervened as he looked as if he was running out of steam.
Bill Aitken: Con
Clearly, Glasgow has more than its fair share of this type of problem. I fully concede the point. However, from reports that I have received, I understand th...
Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP
I concur with everything the Executive has set out in its motion. I am pleased that the debate is being conducted under the heading "Violence Against Women" ...
The Deputy Minister for Communities (Johann Lamont): Lab
I welcome the opportunity to sum up this very important debate, which reminds us of one of the critical issues that we discuss and have to address.I will rep...
Christine Grahame: SNP
I thank the minister for that clarification. I was not sure how secure the figures were; they were the best that I could obtain. I am obliged to her for the ...
Johann Lamont: Lab
I can get back to Christine Grahame on the detail of how the statistics are managed. I agree that there is a challenge for all those who are working to suppo...
John Swinburne: SSCUP
Does the minister agree that it is surprising that the issue of alcohol has not been raised during today's debate as, often, the pathetic excuses for men who...