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Plenary, 08 Nov 2006

08 Nov 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Transition from School to Work
Neil, Alex SNP Central Scotland Watch on SPTV
Obviously, arithmetic was not Allan Wilson's best subject when he left school. The reason for having policies such as ours is to tackle another issue that his Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council identified two or three months ago. Although we have had 10 years of a Labour Government and seven years of a devolved Government, only 14 per cent of people from poorer backgrounds in Scotland get into higher education—the same proportion that got into higher education 50 years ago. That is why it is important to have a range of policies that will allow that 14 per cent figure to get much nearer the 50 per cent figure for better-off areas.

The other problem that we face is in school itself. We have heard about the back-of-an-envelope proposals for skills academies from the leader of the Scottish Labour Party, Mr McConnell. The way in which the proposals are being presented is as if to say, "If you're no bright enough to go to university, you must be pretty dull and so you should go down the vocational route." That is entirely the wrong way to present proposals. In Northern Ireland, the Costello report proposed that young people in second, third and fourth year at secondary school should receive one third academic training and one third technical training and be left to decide the other third on the basis of their own priorities and abilities. Adopting such a formula seems like a much more sensible approach to the problem than setting up skills academies, through which we would be in danger of reinventing the two-tier education system that we thought we got rid of with the introduction of comprehensive education.

There are initiatives for which I think the Executive has been unfairly criticised by the Tories, such as the education maintenance allowance, which the Tories are committed to abolishing. All the evidence is that initiatives such as education maintenance allowance that target poorer sections of the community encourage young people to stay on longer at school.

There are major flaws and contradictions in the Executive's strategy. The third line on page 1 of the executive summary of "More Choices, More Chances: A Strategy to Reduce the Proportion of Young People not in Education, Employment or Training in Scotland" is:

"Our objective is to eradicate the problem of NEET the length and breadth of Scotland."

At the bottom of the page it states:

"We propose seven NEET hotspot areas."

The Executive is either going to target the problem in hotspot areas or throughout the whole country—there is an inherent contradiction there. None of the hotspot areas is a rural area; yet there are parts of rural Scotland where the NEET problem is proportionately greater than it is in parts of urban Scotland.

The other big flaw in the strategy is that it almost totally ignores the services provided as a result of reserved powers, particularly by the Employment Service, and how they integrate. The danger is that we have a multitude of agencies and initiatives and that young people do not know where to go, whom to go to or how to get into the system that maximises the support that they require. Given what is happening with the careers service, Jobcentre Plus, the new deal and all the other initiatives, there is a need to streamline the organisation so that young people know that there is one place where they can go to get the help that they need.

The point of contact in an urban area is often in the town centre but many of the young people who need to use it never go into the town centre. When I was a social worker in Dundee, I came across a lady who had lived in the Kirkton estate for 30 years and had never been in Dundee city centre. People like that are likely to be in the NEET category. We can learn from previous initiatives—some of which have now been binned—that located jobcentres and similar services in places such as Ferguslie Park so that young people had easy access to the services.

A range of issues needs to be addressed and there is scope for taking a much more imaginative and ambitious approach than the Executive has shown. However, we welcome the initiatives that the Executive has taken to date.

I move amendment S2M-5098.3, to leave out from "and endorses" to end and insert:

"regrets the poor performance of the current Scottish Executive which has led to far more of our young people, compared with their European peers, not in education, employment or training; calls for a fresh approach to engage schools, colleges, voluntary organisations and employers in Scotland to recognise the importance of early intervention for children, particularly those from socially disadvantaged backgrounds, to realise their potential in later life and so secure the opportunities that other young Scots enjoy, and recognises that, for Scotland to achieve a situation where every 16 to 19-year-old can have the opportunity to secure a place in education, employment, training or volunteering, it will require a concerted national effort and support from all sectors in Scotland."

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5098, in the name of Nicol Stephen, on supporting positive transitions from school to work.
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Nicol Stephen): LD
Today's debate is on the important issue of moving young people from school into further education, employment or training.The transition works well for the ...
Dennis Canavan (Falkirk West) (Ind): Ind
A vocational element in education is important and every effort must be made to improve job and training opportunities for young people. However, does the mi...
Nicol Stephen: LD
I agree strongly with that point. As well as the basic academic skills, there must be an emphasis in our schools on physical activity and sport, drama and mu...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
Given what the Deputy First Minister has said about schools, can he say whether he supports the First Minister's proposals for science academies?
Nicol Stephen: LD
As I understand the situation, the proposals were made not by the First Minister but by the leader of the Labour Party. I look forward to seeing more of the ...
Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
I want to take the minister back a couple of paragraphs in his speech, to the point when he referred to local authorities having the lead role. If local auth...
Nicol Stephen: LD
I could refer the member forward a few paragraphs in my speech, to the point when I will refer to leadership. It is important that the Executive, the private...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I appreciate the comments that the minister has made so far, but does he accept that if education is so important in tackling the problem, the absence of the...
Nicol Stephen: LD
I strongly disagree with that. It is correct that the lead minister on this issue is the Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning. The Minister for Educ...
John Swinburne (Central Scotland) (SSCUP): SSCUP
Will the minister give way?
Nicol Stephen: LD
I am sorry, but I cannot because I am running out of time.The strategy commits us to setting national and local targets for tackling the problem by 2008. We ...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
There is probably a lot of cross-party consensus on the issue, both on the importance of dealing with the problem and on the need to tackle it in a multifari...
The Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Allan Wilson): Lab
So why does the Scottish National Party propose to exacerbate the situation by spending £1.7 billion on writing off student debt?
Alex Neil: SNP
Obviously, arithmetic was not Allan Wilson's best subject when he left school. The reason for having policies such as ours is to tackle another issue that hi...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
I congratulate Alex Neil on what must be a record: he spoke for 10 minutes and 46 seconds but did not mention independence once. I hope that he will keep tha...
Jim Mather: SNP
Does Murdo Fraser concede that it is possible that the skills gap is a function of people being attracted out of Scotland by better terms and conditions else...
Murdo Fraser: Con
That is an interesting question. We still have a problem in that many high-level graduates are leaving Scotland to seek employment elsewhere; for example, Mr...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
Will Murdo Fraser give way?
Murdo Fraser: Con
If Fiona Hyslop will forgive me, I will not give way at this point, as I need to make progress.Recently, there has been a large influx of workers from easter...
Ms Rosemary Byrne (South of Scotland) (Sol): Sol
Although I welcome the debate, I must express my concern about the way in which we tackle the problem. We build piecemeal projects that are never extended an...
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab
In time for reflection today, the Rev Malcolm Rooney spoke about arch enemies united, and I suspect that, regardless of our views on the solution, this subje...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
Will the member give way?
Christine May: Lab
I am in my last minute, so I must continue.Murdo Fraser talked about skills academies and science academies. At Friday's business in the Parliament conferenc...
Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
I welcome the opportunity to take part in the debate and I applaud the work that has been done by the Smith group, which has been ably led by Sir Tom Hunter ...
Christine May: Lab
Does Jim Mather agree that because the Executive is not a company it should not therefore be expected to behave as a company? However, if we extend his analo...
Jim Mather: SNP
A country has a responsibility to develop the capability of its citizens. The Governments in London and Edinburgh control economic management, social securit...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): LD
I come from a singular part of Scotland and I realise that there are many different areas in Scotland. Does Jim Mather accept that the solution to the proble...
Jim Mather: SNP
I accept that many systems that have worked well in the central belt have not worked in the Highlands and I am not for one minute saying that we should not g...
Mr David Davidson (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
We all agree that the fact that many of our young people have no opportunity to create a meaningful life for themselves is quite shameful. People generally a...