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Plenary, 08 Nov 2006

08 Nov 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Transition from School to Work
Neil, Alex SNP Central Scotland Watch on SPTV
There is probably a lot of cross-party consensus on the issue, both on the importance of dealing with the problem and on the need to tackle it in a multifarious way and through a range of services. Although we need particular policies that are geared to the NEET group, we cannot divorce the problems that those people face from the wider issues of poverty, unemployment and poor housing in Scotland. Tackling the NEET issue must be part and parcel of an ambitious programme to tackle poverty and unemployment in Scotland.

One myth is that we have solved the unemployment problem but, according to figures from Scottish Enterprise, if we add up all the people who are fit, able and willing to work, including those who are on some form of benefit, we find that about 280,000 people in Scotland are still available to be recruited to the labour market. A fair proportion of them are in the 16 to 19-year-old age group. Not only do we owe them the opportunity to realise fully their potential for their sake—as the minister said—but we should realise that they are a vast untapped economic resource for Scotland. Business leaders sometimes say to me and others that far too high a percentage of our young people go on to higher education and that they cannot get young people for apprenticeships. I say to them that those young people are available for apprenticeships and for work. As the survey that was done for the strategy shows, they are willing to work and keen to get into the labour market. It is not an either/or situation. We should ensure that we get the requisite number of talented people to university and that we give the requisite number of talented people, including those among the NEET group, the opportunity of full-time education, employment or training.

I agree totally with the minister that the issue does not arise when young people leave school. We could probably go to families in many areas and, at an early age, identify the children who are most likely to end up in the NEET group. They are most likely to be from families of people who are unemployed or on a relatively low income, to be living in a deprived area and in some of the worst housing conditions and to be going to a school that has some of the lowest attainment levels. We can usually identify those people early on. I emphasise the need, where possible, to identify individuals who need particular help at the earliest opportunity. In some cases, it might be possible to do that in pre-school education or primary school, but it should certainly be possible by the time that people are in secondary school.

I agree that those young people need one-to-one support. I once attended a presentation by the principal of Anniesland College, Linda McTavish, at which she put a triangle on the board and, beside it, an inverted triangle. The first triangle represented the numbers of young people who leave school to go into the labour market or on to university or college. The people at the tip of the triangle were those who go on to get a degree or a second degree; the next group down were those who go into degree or diploma level courses; and the ones at the bottom—the largest number—were those who leave school without enough qualifications. [Interruption.] The inverted triangle represented the amount of resources that are put in. No doubt that is the point that my good friend Mr McNeil is trying to make from a sedentary position. Linda McTavish's argument was that the people who need the least help get the most and the people who need the most help get the least. In other words, there is an inverted relationship between need and resource.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5098, in the name of Nicol Stephen, on supporting positive transitions from school to work.
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Nicol Stephen): LD
Today's debate is on the important issue of moving young people from school into further education, employment or training.The transition works well for the ...
Dennis Canavan (Falkirk West) (Ind): Ind
A vocational element in education is important and every effort must be made to improve job and training opportunities for young people. However, does the mi...
Nicol Stephen: LD
I agree strongly with that point. As well as the basic academic skills, there must be an emphasis in our schools on physical activity and sport, drama and mu...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
Given what the Deputy First Minister has said about schools, can he say whether he supports the First Minister's proposals for science academies?
Nicol Stephen: LD
As I understand the situation, the proposals were made not by the First Minister but by the leader of the Labour Party. I look forward to seeing more of the ...
Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
I want to take the minister back a couple of paragraphs in his speech, to the point when he referred to local authorities having the lead role. If local auth...
Nicol Stephen: LD
I could refer the member forward a few paragraphs in my speech, to the point when I will refer to leadership. It is important that the Executive, the private...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I appreciate the comments that the minister has made so far, but does he accept that if education is so important in tackling the problem, the absence of the...
Nicol Stephen: LD
I strongly disagree with that. It is correct that the lead minister on this issue is the Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning. The Minister for Educ...
John Swinburne (Central Scotland) (SSCUP): SSCUP
Will the minister give way?
Nicol Stephen: LD
I am sorry, but I cannot because I am running out of time.The strategy commits us to setting national and local targets for tackling the problem by 2008. We ...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
There is probably a lot of cross-party consensus on the issue, both on the importance of dealing with the problem and on the need to tackle it in a multifari...
The Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Allan Wilson): Lab
So why does the Scottish National Party propose to exacerbate the situation by spending £1.7 billion on writing off student debt?
Alex Neil: SNP
Obviously, arithmetic was not Allan Wilson's best subject when he left school. The reason for having policies such as ours is to tackle another issue that hi...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
I congratulate Alex Neil on what must be a record: he spoke for 10 minutes and 46 seconds but did not mention independence once. I hope that he will keep tha...
Jim Mather: SNP
Does Murdo Fraser concede that it is possible that the skills gap is a function of people being attracted out of Scotland by better terms and conditions else...
Murdo Fraser: Con
That is an interesting question. We still have a problem in that many high-level graduates are leaving Scotland to seek employment elsewhere; for example, Mr...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
Will Murdo Fraser give way?
Murdo Fraser: Con
If Fiona Hyslop will forgive me, I will not give way at this point, as I need to make progress.Recently, there has been a large influx of workers from easter...
Ms Rosemary Byrne (South of Scotland) (Sol): Sol
Although I welcome the debate, I must express my concern about the way in which we tackle the problem. We build piecemeal projects that are never extended an...
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab
In time for reflection today, the Rev Malcolm Rooney spoke about arch enemies united, and I suspect that, regardless of our views on the solution, this subje...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
Will the member give way?
Christine May: Lab
I am in my last minute, so I must continue.Murdo Fraser talked about skills academies and science academies. At Friday's business in the Parliament conferenc...
Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
I welcome the opportunity to take part in the debate and I applaud the work that has been done by the Smith group, which has been ably led by Sir Tom Hunter ...
Christine May: Lab
Does Jim Mather agree that because the Executive is not a company it should not therefore be expected to behave as a company? However, if we extend his analo...
Jim Mather: SNP
A country has a responsibility to develop the capability of its citizens. The Governments in London and Edinburgh control economic management, social securit...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): LD
I come from a singular part of Scotland and I realise that there are many different areas in Scotland. Does Jim Mather accept that the solution to the proble...
Jim Mather: SNP
I accept that many systems that have worked well in the central belt have not worked in the Highlands and I am not for one minute saying that we should not g...
Mr David Davidson (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
We all agree that the fact that many of our young people have no opportunity to create a meaningful life for themselves is quite shameful. People generally a...