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Plenary, 16 Mar 2006

16 Mar 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
European Commission Green Papers (Divorce and Succession and Wills)
Absolutely. I have written and spoken about that subject, so I think that Mr Purvis's intervention is an irrelevancy. He may have been attempting to make a party-political point, but I am addressing proposals that would have a fundamental effect on the law of Scotland. I fully support the position of Ms McNeill and the Justice 1 Committee and I have no doubt that the minister will be sympathetic to it. We can by all means discuss the proposals in a wider context, but Mr Purvis's point is a side issue.

Society—both in Scotland and in the European Union—has become much more complicated. People have flats in Benidorm and villas in Tuscany; they move to Frankfurt to work; sadly, they die abroad; divorces happen and people marry people from other countries. Many of those developments are good and we should support them. They make the law more complicated, but I believe that our legal system is perfectly capable of addressing such matters because it has always been able to address complicated situations.

As someone who has dealt with numerous matrimonial cases—although not in the same context as my colleague, Stewart Stevenson—I know that there are devices, such as the Hague convention, for addressing situations in which disputes arise over which jurisdiction is responsible for, for example, the domicile of a child. Such cases are often complicated and that is an area of the law that requires to be refined because sometimes different interpretations are made in different jurisdictions. Measures exist to allow individual nations' to interpret laws in their own way. Matters such as how a property that is owned in Tuscany or Benidorm should be dealt with can be addressed in the context of the current Scottish legal system. Developments are afoot in the EU, but our legal system is capable of recognising that.

Turning to broader matters for a moment, I say to Mr Purvis that one reason why I support further progress in the EU is so that we have a bulwark against the United States. That said, there are legal differences even within the USA—the state of Louisiana operates differently from the state of Alaska and the set-up in the state of Texas is different from that in the state of Massachusetts—but the system manages to operate.

There is no need for the EU to dragoon us into going down its preferred route. There are many apocryphal tales that would bring the EU into contempt, such as those to do with the banning of bagpipes or the placing of restrictions on haggis, most of which are not true. Many of us who support the ethos of the institution must argue against the proposals in the green papers because they are fundamentally wrong. Some areas of law are complicated, but the lawyers in our legal system are adequately trained to deal with them.

We should therefore go down the European Union route that the Government and peoples of Finland support, which is the fields-of-responsibility route. For some areas of the law, it is appropriate that we come together on a broader European Union basis, but other matters need to be addressed on a more regional or geographic-area basis—whether that involves an area such as Scandinavia or a part of the British isles. Some matters should be decided by individual nation states; the subjects of the debate fall into that category.

Scotland has distinctive matrimonial law. That is why we have the Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006. We also have distinctive law on succession. That is why we have introduced legislation on that and why we consider the Scottish Law Commission's views on a variety of such matters. There is no need for the European Union to impose or impinge upon us; we have shown that we are capable of working with other jurisdictions, whether in terms of the Hague, Warsaw or other conventions. The European Commission should leave Scotland well alone.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-4088, in the name of Pauline McNeill, on behalf of the Justice 1 Committee, on European Commission green ...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab
I am grateful to the Parliamentary Bureau for allowing the Justice 1 Committee this slot to discuss our report on what we regard as very important European i...
Mr Kenny MacAskill (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I fully support the position that Ms McNeill and the Justice 1 Committee have taken. I see that Mr Gallie is present, so I put on record that although I cond...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD): LD
I have a great deal of sympathy with what Kenny MacAskill says, but if the Scottish National Party is against common European policies on fisheries, on some ...
Mr MacAskill: SNP
Absolutely. I have written and spoken about that subject, so I think that Mr Purvis's intervention is an irrelevancy. He may have been attempting to make a p...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con): Con
I welcome today's debate. I do so not because I believe that there is anything contentious in the motion or that there is likely to be disagreement on the Ju...
Mike Pringle (Edinburgh South) (LD): LD
Members of the Justice 1 Committee must do all that we can to protect and enhance our legal system in Scotland. There is no doubt that the European Commissio...
Mrs Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab): Lab
It is important that Parliament's committees discuss, take a view on and influence the European Commission's decisions. Like Kenny MacAskill, I am a strong s...
Jeremy Purvis: LD
I was not involved in the committee's consideration, but does the member agree that, in an international divorce, there may be assets and bank accounts in di...
Mrs Mulligan: Lab
Such situations may arise, but the important point is that, at present, people know which law will be used to deal with them.On succession and wills, Scotlan...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD): LD
The Commission's green paper outlines what it considers to be shortcomings in the current situation in the European Union. On divorce, there should be some s...
Pauline McNeill: Lab
Does the member agree that there have always been complex situations? We have dealt with private international law for a long time, using the Hague conventio...
Jeremy Purvis: LD
Ultimately, I agree. We do not hear the S-word much, but subsidiarity should be the basis of legislation in Scotland, the UK and the EU, so that legislators ...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con): Con
Unless the world turns upside down at the conclusion of the debate, common sense will prevail. It was not always thus. The Minister for Justice has heard me ...
The Minister for Justice (Cathy Jamieson): Lab
I have no interests to declare, as I do not have a holiday home in Tuscany, Benidorm or anywhere else. I am, of course, domiciled in the central part of Euro...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP): SNP
The Justice 1 Committee brought this matter to the attention of the Parliament, because green papers have a habit of changing colour. There is little doubt t...