Chamber
Plenary, 15 Jun 2005
15 Jun 2005 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Sexual Health
My question to the minister is, "Why are we having this debate?" Is it just to announce the formation of a committee? If that is the reason, it is a bit feeble. If the purpose of the debate is to give members the opportunity to repeat what many of us have been saying since 1999, when it was first suggested that we should have a sexual health strategy, is that the best use of parliamentary time? The speech from the Conservatives was, to be quite frank, from out of the dark ages and will leave many young Scots in the dark about relationships education as much as about sexual health education.
If the debate is not about just repeating positions that people have held previously, what is its purpose? If it is about announcing progress since the statement in January, perhaps it would have been courteous and informative to Parliament to have provided members with some documentation—a photocopied report announcing progress to date would have been helpful and would have moved the debate on. Some of us are a bit tired and weary of having to return to the chamber time and again to repeat concerns about the appalling sexual health record of Scotland. However, this is a time when we should be at our least tired and weary, because the momentum to ensure that action is taken is needed more than ever.
Subjects such as relationships and self-esteem have been mentioned repeatedly in the debate. Sexual health is not the only concern we have about our young people. Perhaps the minister should discuss with his colleague Peter Peacock in the Education Department how we can ensure that self-esteem and self-respect are part and parcel of our education system, because tackling those issues will help to tackle many other issues.
On parental involvement, on page 80 of the report I see an interesting comment from somebody who attended one of the consultations. He said:
"When my son started going with a girlfriend I spoke to him and I said to him ‘watch what you're doing and go to the chemist and just be careful'. But with my daughters—my wife asked me if I was going to talk to them, but I said no. I don't feel it's the man's place to talk to the daughter—but maybe it is?"
Just over a week ago we had a conference in the chamber with parliamentarians from Africa, G8 countries and Europe. The subject of much of the conference was HIV and AIDS. In one of the workshops, a Ugandan parliamentarian said:
"One of our biggest problems in tackling HIV and AIDS is that men don't want to talk to their daughters about sex and sexual health, and politicians and public servants don't want to talk about sex and sexual health."
If we have achieved anything, perhaps we have moved on in that public servants and politicians are talking about sexual health. However, as the report says, perhaps there is a problem in how parents talk to their children and how men and women relate differently to their sons and daughters.
I would like to hear more about the McCabe report's recommendations on parental education. We have glossy documents such as "Ready Steady Baby!: A Guide to Pregnancy, Birth and Early Parenthood" to help people know what they should do with their children. I am not suggesting that the Executive should go out and produce masses of glossy documents, as it is prone to do, but perhaps a "Ready Steady Teenager!" document might be helpful. Also, although I see points about parental education in the report, I have heard nothing about what is happening.
On consistency of information, I remind members—particularly the Conservatives—that article 24 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child states that no child should be deprived of the right to access public health education and services. I welcome the Roman Catholic Church's movement on education services, but I ask the same question as I asked in January: who will monitor the quality and provision of sex education in non-denominational and Catholic schools and report to Parliament on whether they are satisfied that the points that have been made about public health and access to information are upheld? I look forward to hearing an answer to that.
I am concerned to read that some surveys suggest that the lack of information is still prevalent. A survey by Developing Patient Partnerships tells us that 45 per cent of young people in Scotland
"mistakenly thought that they had to see their GP before they could access sexual health services".
We are six years on from 1999 when we said that we needed a sexual health strategy. We need to ensure that we monitor our progress robustly to see where we are going.
I ask the minister to address online access to sexual health information, because that is what young people want. In the Developing Patient Partnerships survey, 78 per cent of young respondents cited online information as a need. However, we know that blocks on websites mean that young people who want to access such sites might not be able to do so. We need to address that technological impasse.
On funding and the provision of resources, we know that John Reid provided £300 million for the strategy in England and we have heard the minister's announcement of £5 million a year over three years, but is that enough? The briefing that we have received from the Scottish NHS Confederation suggests that
"Shortages of suitably trained staff in some areas will mean that many aspects of the strategy will take longer to implement than others".
We are talking about a national strategy, so I would like to hear from the minister what services in what parts of the country will not be able to implement parts of the strategy because of resources.
Rather than being tired and weary about progress to date, we should say to the minister that we are watching him, that we expect results and that we expect the momentum to be continued rather than slowed down. If the purpose of the debate is to ensure that he knows that, perhaps it will be useful.
If the debate is not about just repeating positions that people have held previously, what is its purpose? If it is about announcing progress since the statement in January, perhaps it would have been courteous and informative to Parliament to have provided members with some documentation—a photocopied report announcing progress to date would have been helpful and would have moved the debate on. Some of us are a bit tired and weary of having to return to the chamber time and again to repeat concerns about the appalling sexual health record of Scotland. However, this is a time when we should be at our least tired and weary, because the momentum to ensure that action is taken is needed more than ever.
Subjects such as relationships and self-esteem have been mentioned repeatedly in the debate. Sexual health is not the only concern we have about our young people. Perhaps the minister should discuss with his colleague Peter Peacock in the Education Department how we can ensure that self-esteem and self-respect are part and parcel of our education system, because tackling those issues will help to tackle many other issues.
On parental involvement, on page 80 of the report I see an interesting comment from somebody who attended one of the consultations. He said:
"When my son started going with a girlfriend I spoke to him and I said to him ‘watch what you're doing and go to the chemist and just be careful'. But with my daughters—my wife asked me if I was going to talk to them, but I said no. I don't feel it's the man's place to talk to the daughter—but maybe it is?"
Just over a week ago we had a conference in the chamber with parliamentarians from Africa, G8 countries and Europe. The subject of much of the conference was HIV and AIDS. In one of the workshops, a Ugandan parliamentarian said:
"One of our biggest problems in tackling HIV and AIDS is that men don't want to talk to their daughters about sex and sexual health, and politicians and public servants don't want to talk about sex and sexual health."
If we have achieved anything, perhaps we have moved on in that public servants and politicians are talking about sexual health. However, as the report says, perhaps there is a problem in how parents talk to their children and how men and women relate differently to their sons and daughters.
I would like to hear more about the McCabe report's recommendations on parental education. We have glossy documents such as "Ready Steady Baby!: A Guide to Pregnancy, Birth and Early Parenthood" to help people know what they should do with their children. I am not suggesting that the Executive should go out and produce masses of glossy documents, as it is prone to do, but perhaps a "Ready Steady Teenager!" document might be helpful. Also, although I see points about parental education in the report, I have heard nothing about what is happening.
On consistency of information, I remind members—particularly the Conservatives—that article 24 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child states that no child should be deprived of the right to access public health education and services. I welcome the Roman Catholic Church's movement on education services, but I ask the same question as I asked in January: who will monitor the quality and provision of sex education in non-denominational and Catholic schools and report to Parliament on whether they are satisfied that the points that have been made about public health and access to information are upheld? I look forward to hearing an answer to that.
I am concerned to read that some surveys suggest that the lack of information is still prevalent. A survey by Developing Patient Partnerships tells us that 45 per cent of young people in Scotland
"mistakenly thought that they had to see their GP before they could access sexual health services".
We are six years on from 1999 when we said that we needed a sexual health strategy. We need to ensure that we monitor our progress robustly to see where we are going.
I ask the minister to address online access to sexual health information, because that is what young people want. In the Developing Patient Partnerships survey, 78 per cent of young respondents cited online information as a need. However, we know that blocks on websites mean that young people who want to access such sites might not be able to do so. We need to address that technological impasse.
On funding and the provision of resources, we know that John Reid provided £300 million for the strategy in England and we have heard the minister's announcement of £5 million a year over three years, but is that enough? The briefing that we have received from the Scottish NHS Confederation suggests that
"Shortages of suitably trained staff in some areas will mean that many aspects of the strategy will take longer to implement than others".
We are talking about a national strategy, so I would like to hear from the minister what services in what parts of the country will not be able to implement parts of the strategy because of resources.
Rather than being tired and weary about progress to date, we should say to the minister that we are watching him, that we expect results and that we expect the momentum to be continued rather than slowed down. If the purpose of the debate is to ensure that he knows that, perhaps it will be useful.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh):
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-2958, in the name of Andy Kerr, on sexual health, and three amendments to the motion.
The Minister for Health and Community Care (Mr Andy Kerr):
Lab
As MSPs are aware, the Executive decided to produce a sexual health strategy because sexual health in Scotland is undeniably poor. The number of unintended t...
Shona Robison (Dundee East) (SNP):
SNP
In response to the statement made by the minister on 27 January this year, the Scottish National Party gave a broad welcome to the Executive's strategy and a...
Mrs Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
It is now 40 years since the advent of the contraceptive pill in the 1960s put women in charge of their reproductive lives. As a result, society has changed ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green):
Green
Can Nanette Milne perhaps bring herself to mention any positive benefits that have come from women taking control of their reproductive lives?
Mrs Milne:
Con
I can indeed. As I have said, women have been given untold freedom. It is not all negative, but I am highlighting the downsides simply because we know that s...
Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab):
Lab
I agree with Mrs Milne that parents have a key role to play in assisting in any sexual health strategy, but does she agree that her overemphasising of that r...
Mrs Milne:
Con
We know that there are parents who are not best equipped to educate their children, but we must look at giving them support. It is a multi-agency problem, an...
Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Will Mrs Milne give way?
Mrs Milne:
Con
I have given way twice already. Sexual health education is a complex subject. It needs to help all children with their confidence and self-esteem—not just th...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
Will the member give way?
Mrs Milne:
Con
I will take no more interventions.We want an assurance that the sexual health strategy will not undermine the authority of parents by providing a plethora of...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green):
Green
I will try to follow that speech with a seriousness that it does not deserve.Yesterday, I talked at an event that the Telephone Helplines Association organis...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
The strategy and action plan for improving sexual health are all about ensuring that a culture of respect and responsibility based on sound values is at the ...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
How would the member define "equitable"? Is there a role for parents in contributing to the decision-making process?
Mike Rumbles:
LD
Of course parents have a role to play, but we are talking about taking an equitable approach so that all school kids throughout Scotland have the same inform...
Marilyn Livingstone (Kirkcaldy) (Lab):
Lab
Sexual health is a controversial subject on which people have deeply held views. However, given the rising rates of diagnosed sexually transmitted infections...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
My question to the minister is, "Why are we having this debate?" Is it just to announce the formation of a committee? If that is the reason, it is a bit feeb...
Carolyn Leckie (Central Scotland) (SSP):
SSP
Fiona Hyslop asked why we are having the debate. She also asked many questions that I want answers to. One of the reasons why we are having the debate is tha...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
I think that Carolyn Leckie is being a bit hard on the Conservatives. There are at least two men on our benches, but there are no Scottish Socialist Party ma...
Carolyn Leckie:
SSP
That is because we bumped them out of the debate.There is a serious point to be made here. There is an element of right-wing reaction, particularly in relati...
Susan Deacon (Edinburgh East and Musselburgh) (Lab):
Lab
I am surprised that the question has been asked why we are having this debate. It is more than five months since the Executive published a major, long-awaite...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
Given comments that were made earlier in the debate, I feel that I am the token male on the Conservative benches. However, I think that I have something to c...
Mike Rumbles:
LD
Alex Johnstone has missed the point. What members objected to in Nanette Milne's speech was the fact that she was advocating that people should be able to ve...
Alex Johnstone:
Con
I believe that Mike Rumbles has misunderstood what was said. I hope to address that in greater detail as I progress.The Parliament has become famous for the ...
Patrick Harvie:
Green
Bigots.
Alex Johnstone:
Con
Well, that is a fairly simple definition, and one that perhaps does not belong in the debate. That is not what we are talking about today.The truth is that I...
Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I have some sympathy with Fiona Hyslop. How much more can we say about this subject? I came to the debate thinking, "What on earth can I talk about this time...
Alex Johnstone:
Con
Is the fact that so many parents are unable to fulfil that responsibility not one of the primary issues that we need to address?
Linda Fabiani:
SNP
The need to remove the stigma about such matters is an issue, as Susan Deacon explained very well. However, we also need to address reality: some parents are...