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Chamber

Plenary, 12 May 2005

12 May 2005 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Schools-Colleges Review
I am grateful to have the opportunity to open the debate on behalf of the Conservatives. The Scottish Executive's initiative to develop effective partnerships between schools and further education colleges will benefit our young people immensely. Such a commitment to further education has been a key strand in Conservative policy for a number of years. Indeed, both the modern apprenticeship scheme and the young enterprise initiative were established under a Conservative Government. If I may say so, we are becoming accustomed to having Conservative policies absorbed into Labour policy a short time later. I shall not dwell on that point, because we welcome the Executive's approach, but it appears to be part of what is becoming a seamless web.

We warmly welcome the publication of the strategy and the implementation plan for school-college partnerships, which mark a welcome commitment to a broader curriculum in vocational training. Access to vocational training at further education colleges benefits school-age pupils in a number of ways. First, it allows pupils to gain a taste of college education, which may encourage them to enrol on FE courses after school. Secondly, it gives school-age pupils hands-on experience of the skill or trade that they wish to train for as well as of the demands of the world of work. Thirdly, it helps to enhance social development, self-esteem and personal responsibility. For all those reasons, we strongly support the initiative.

We recognise the need to give greater opportunities to 14-year-olds by allowing them to study in further education colleges. Access to a broader curriculum and to vocational training will undoubtedly help more young people to fulfil their potential and it will help to combat disengagement, as well as filling the skills gaps in our economy. The sector skills council has found that, if we trained up just another 1 per cent of the current workforce across the United Kingdom, £8 billion would be added to the UK's gross domestic product.

Dumfries and Galloway College is an example of best practice in the heart of David Mundell's constituency. The college is running an effective partnership with local schools at the Crichton campus and is currently taking around 300 pupils each year on to courses that the schools do not have the resources or specific and sufficient facilities to provide. The subjects include care—which the minister mentioned—psychology, hairdressing, hospitality and travel and tourism, to mention but a few. The college offers courses that lead to national qualifications at intermediate 2 and higher levels, thereby allowing for effective articulation with other school-based learning and qualifications. For those pupils for whom the practical, vocational route is more appropriate, such early experience of college life will be invaluable.

The Executive is supporting the creation of a more flexible curriculum that will address disengagement with, and disruptive behaviour in, schools. That said, the drive to enable more pupils to have extended access to vocational training must go hand in hand with raising awareness of the high standards that are demanded on those courses.

Some administrative issues remain to be addressed and they will require careful monitoring. I am referring to the need for adequate capacity in colleges in order to accommodate all eligible school pupils, the establishment of effective and fair systems for dealing with disruptive behaviour in colleges, if and when it arises and the essential requirement for funding for school pupils who are studying at FE colleges to be dealt with correctly.

We face a considerable challenge. Although the scarcity of people with good vocational skills and qualifications puts a premium on their value, the fact that manufacturing industry has declined in Scotland means that it may be perceived as a less attractive option for long-term employment. Only when we make the Scottish economy really competitive will the economic climate be conducive to growth for enterprising and aspiring businesses. I repeat that the Conservatives would like business rates in Scotland to be put on a level playing field with those in the rest of Britain, as that would help our economy.

Sir Digby Jones, director general of the Confederation of British Industry, said that young people should be encouraged to embrace responsibility and

"exploit risk if the next generation is to continue Britain's economic and business success".

Encouraging access to vocational training and enterprise in education is an important step in the right direction. In addition, the business climate needs to be attuned to economic growth if such worthy measures are to attract the success that they deserve.

I welcome the minister's stance on the issue. In the short time that I was the Scottish Office minister with responsibility for education, I tried to raise the status and stature of further education colleges in Scotland. The Executive has a good policy, which should be strongly supported. I believe that, if we give it our support, it will be seen to succeed for our people.

Before I move our amendment, I thank the minister for accepting it. I move amendment S2M-2793.2, to insert at end:

"but notes, however, the need for the Executive to monitor issues of funding, college capacity and delivery of the strategy, particularly in rural areas."

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion S2M-2793, in the name of Peter Peacock, on the schools-colleges review.
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. The document to inform the debate has not yet been delivered to members. I understand that there is a hold-up at the ...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
The supply of documentation is not a matter for me; it is a matter for the Executive. However, what has happened is unfortunate.
The Minister for Education and Young People (Peter Peacock): Lab
Shall I begin my speech, Presiding Officer, or do you want me to deal with the point of order separately?
The Presiding Officer: NPA
I think that you should deal with the point that has been raised, as it is clearly germane to the debate.
Peter Peacock: Lab
I fully acknowledge the point that has been raised. The documents were due to be in the Scottish Parliament information centre by 9 o'clock for members gener...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
Further to that point of order, Presiding Officer. Mr Peacock and Mr Wallace are due to launch the document this morning at Telford College. It is questionab...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
The Parliament has agreed that the debate should proceed and that is what should happen. The Minister for Parliamentary Business made efforts to get the docu...
The Minister for Education and Young People (Peter Peacock): Lab
It is my pleasure to open this debate on school-college partnership. We know that many pupils already benefit from the learning opportunities that colleges b...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab): Lab
I welcome much of what the minister has said. He has spoken of the role of other institutions. Are there any plans to examine the links between schools and h...
Peter Peacock: Lab
The specific focus of this work is school-college links, but other work is on-going between higher education institutions and schools and we want to encourag...
Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab): Lab
I am sure that the minister will agree that the role of careers services is vital to the whole process that he is describing. How will that role be promoted ...
Peter Peacock: Lab
Sylvia Jackson raises an important point. I am not going to refer to the matter specifically today, but I know that people want to develop more appropriate r...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I am interested in what the minister is saying, but, if there is to be an impact on the world of work as well as on pupils, will he indicate the quantity of ...
Peter Peacock: Lab
I will say something about that later. We will be piloting a lot of the work so that it can be fully tested before it is rolled out across the system. As I w...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
Before I come to the substance of my speech, I must reflect on the circumstances of the debate. It is not acceptable for members of the Parliament not to hav...
Peter Peacock: Lab
There may have been some misunderstanding. I am deeply flattered that Fiona Hyslop wants me to remain in the chamber all morning, but that is what I intend t...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I am pleased to hear of the minister's change to his previously advertised plan.A great deal of consensus exists in the Parliament on the subject of today's ...
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con): Con
I am grateful to have the opportunity to open the debate on behalf of the Conservatives. The Scottish Executive's initiative to develop effective partnership...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD
I give a warm welcome to the publication of the documents on school-college partnerships. The Executive has implemented yet another key Liberal Democrat mani...
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab
As we seem to be continuing the election campaign that I thought had finished last week, I play my part by saying that other parties might have had the propo...
Robert Brown: LD
Is Christine May aware of the Careers Scotland research that identified the close link between people having a goal in life and attainment? Does she think th...
Christine May: Lab
Yes, I do. I was privileged to have a lengthy discussion with the consultants who prepared the report for Careers Scotland on the benefit to young people of ...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
Tricia Marwick has withdrawn.
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP): SNP
We all share the objectives that are set out in today's documents. We all agree that in principle we support the expansion of the role of further education c...
Christine May: Lab
Perhaps Mr Ewing will explain to me how additional funding for activities that are carried out at present but not funded will, as he suggests, cause problems...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
We do not know what the impact will be because the documents do not say that. We know that the sum will be £41 million but, as Fiona Hyslop said, we have no ...
Chris Ballance (South of Scotland) (Green): Green
The Executive review, "Building the Foundations of a Lifelong Learning Society", is a most welcome document. Set beside the merger of the tertiary education ...
Dr Jackson: Lab
I want to know whether I understand correctly what the member said a few sentences back. He seemed to say that he envisaged S4 pupils going fully into furthe...
Chris Ballance: Green
The important point is that there is provision for pupils in S4 who want to have alternatives to school education, as well as school education. They should b...