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Plenary, 21 Apr 2005

21 Apr 2005 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Dental Health Services
Milne, Nanette Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV
Dentists are contracted to the health service. It is up to them whether to work for the NHS or opt to go private—that has been a long-standing situation. If it were to change, getting dentists into the NHS would be even more difficult.

The report that was commissioned by the Health Committee revealed an astonishing lack of data at health board level on adult oral health, the recruitment and retention of staff, the demand for general, community and hospital dental services and other matters. Without such basic information, it is hard to see how supply and demand issues for NHS dental services—particularly for general dental services—can be properly addressed.

The report confirmed that there are particular problems with accessing NHS dentistry in rural areas; that only 3.5 per cent of primary care dentists intend to increase their NHS commitment over the next two years; that there is a problem with retaining dental nurses; and that 62 per cent of retired dentists—many of whom have retired early—could see no incentive that would induce them to return to providing NHS Scotland dental services. Furthermore, the rising proportion of women in the profession, with their desire for career breaks and shorter working hours, is an increasingly important consideration in service planning and delivery.

On top of an increasingly female workforce and the pressures of early retirement, too many dental graduates still leave Scotland once their training is complete. In addition, the current complex system of charging certainly needs to be replaced by a new system that is easy to operate, transparent, easy to understand and less bureaucratic. The short-term measures that the Executive has introduced recently to try to alleviate the current crisis have not solved the problem. Urgent measures are needed if NHS dentistry is to survive in Scotland.

The Executive's pledge to provide free dental checks for everyone by 2007 sounds attractive, but it is generally accepted that the pledge is unlikely to be met by the dental workforce that is currently available. Modern dentistry—which goes far beyond the identification and repair of holes in teeth to include lifestyle and preventive advice and the needs of the patient as a whole—is time consuming, and that time has not been funded by the NHS.

The aims of the dental action plan, which were announced by the minister in March, are admirable and try to address issues that are raised in the report. By March 2008, every child in Scotland is to have access to dental care when they start nursery—that means an extra 50,000 children every year. The aim is to have the largest supervised toothbrushing programme in Europe, which is fair enough; 200 more dentists by 2008; and 400,000 more people—that is, nearly half a million people—registered with an NHS dentist by March 2008. Red tape is to be slashed in general practice, with hugely simplified item-of-service fees for dentists. There should be more professionals complementary to dentistry, a new form of remuneration for dentists and improved practice allowances.

Some £150 million of extra funding over three years for NHS dentistry in Scotland has been promised. That is a large sum of money, but I say to the minister that it is just around half of what the profession considers to be necessary to put things right. The action plan was described by Dr Lamb of the British Dental Association as

"a patchwork of measures which lacks clarity".

He also said that

"it is difficult to see at this stage how the Executive's admirable aims will be achieved."

Many other dentists have said that there has been too little, too late and that what has been done will not resolve the crisis in the service. Dr Lamb has requested answers from the Executive with regard to concerns about funding for training dentists and about how the immediate shortage of dentists will be solved.

Are enough trained staff available in the colleges to provide the training for the significantly greater number of dentists and professionals complementary to dentistry that the Executive has identified as required? I asked that question on the day that the minister announced her action plan and Mary Scanlon repeated it. Why did we not receive an answer? Furthermore, given the recently identified lack of sufficient patients for current dental students to train with, where will the Executive find patients for the extra dental students and therapists that it has promised? Will they be found through the promised outreach centres? Will there be enough? Is there an assumption that all the extra students will make the grade, or will there be pressure to pass students in order to meet the Executive's targets at the risk of compromising quality? Those questions are important and they need positive answers if the Executive's aspirations are to become reality.

Only time will tell whether the action plan is effective in averting the crisis in NHS dentistry. Initial reactions suggest that, at the very least, its aspirations are over-ambitious given the resources that are available. I hope that the plan will attract new recruits into the NHS, but I am afraid that I do not think it will bring back those who have already left the service, either through retiring early or for the rewards and independence of private practice.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-2708, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on behalf of the Health Committee, on access to dental health s...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP): SNP
Members of the Health Committee, like members throughout the chamber, have been concerned by the extent of the anecdotal evidence of a perceived decline in a...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD): LD
Roseanna Cunningham will remember that those statistics relate to health board areas and that in committee I made the point that, on a local authority basis,...
Roseanna Cunningham: SNP
Yes. There is an issue with how the figures operate, because they relate to health board areas, not local authority areas or, indeed, constituency areas.Ther...
The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Rhona Brankin): Lab
We all agree that Scotland has a continuing need to improve oral health, especially among children and in deprived communities. Indeed, in deprived areas of ...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and Upper Nithsdale) (Con): Con
In countries such as Denmark and Sweden, specialised dental health educators supervise children's toothbrushing sessions. Will the minister expand on the pla...
Rhona Brankin: Lab
That is a good point. At the moment, there is a variety of ways of supervising toothbrushing. In some schools, dental hygienists supervise it, but we are con...
Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
The minister was due to visit that dentist but she cancelled the visit. Would it not be appropriate for her to go ahead with it, if necessary to talk to the ...
Rhona Brankin: Lab
I will be absolutely frank with the member. I thought that it was important, on my visit to Dumfries and Galloway, to meet dentists who are committed to the ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
How can the Executive ensure that the £150 million of resources that have been allocated will meet the priorities, given the distinct lack of information tha...
Rhona Brankin: Lab
There is no doubt that we need to get better at acquiring information, but we have enough information at the moment to be able to plan with NHS boards. We ar...
Shona Robison (Dundee East) (SNP): SNP
I pay tribute to those who worked on the report and to the committee clerks for their input. The report is an excellent piece of research, which has informed...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab
Does the member approve of the actions of the dentist in Stranraer last weekend? Does she approve of the ultimatum that he gave to loyal patients, who had to...
Shona Robison: SNP
That is not the point. If we are to persuade dentists to stay in the NHS and persuade dentists who have left the NHS to come back, it is not helpful to casti...
Rhona Brankin: Lab
The minister has announced £150 million of additional funding, which is the biggest-ever investment in NHS dentistry. Within a few weeks of that announcement...
Shona Robison: SNP
The minister misses the point. The individual dentist is not the issue. The issue is those who have gone before and those who may come after and make the dec...
Alex Fergusson: Con
I agree with Shona Robison's comment about the language that has been used. I will address that in my speech. Does she agree that the endless stream of denti...
Shona Robison: SNP
The two go together. Those dentists do not have quality time with their patients and they are run off their feet. If dentists can do less work for more money...
Rhona Brankin: Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Shona Robison: SNP
No. I am running out of time.The SNP believes that more needs to be done to expand the workforce and therefore supports the development of a third full denta...
Mrs Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
I joined the Health Committee as the report was being published. I commend the committee for commissioning the report, which gives a clear snapshot of curren...
Rhona Brankin: Lab
What is the Conservative party's policy on private dentistry?
Mrs Milne: Con
Dentists are contracted to the health service. It is up to them whether to work for the NHS or opt to go private—that has been a long-standing situation. If ...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD): LD
This is a welcome debate on the problems that NHS dentistry in Scotland faces. The failure over many years to ensure that everyone in Scotland—regardless of ...
Mary Scanlon: Con
Will the minister give way?
Mike Rumbles: LD
I am not a minister, but I will certainly give way.
Mary Scanlon: Con
Mike Rumbles mentioned the Edinburgh dental school. Does he acknowledge that the Conservatives recommended the postgraduate dental institute in Edinburgh, wh...
Mike Rumbles: LD
It would be wiser for the Conservatives not to push the issue, because they have done a lot of damage. They set in train the damage to the NHS dental service...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I am interested in Liberal Democrat support for what we might term golden handcuffs for dentists who are going into training and education. Does Mr Rumbles h...
Mike Rumbles: LD
It is not appropriate to refer to golden handcuffs. However, I am certainly in favour of this concept for dentists and I think that it could be expanded for ...