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Plenary, 14 Apr 2005

14 Apr 2005 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Nuclear Power
Mundell, David Con South of Scotland Watch on SPTV
I will try hard not to be political in my speech, but I believe that people who argue against the nuclear industry should have the courage to do so in communities that the nuclear industry has benefited and not just in the Parliament, where it is easy to attract applause. It is much more difficult to do so in communities that the industry has benefited.

As a member of the Scottish Parliament, I have been one of the most long-standing advocates of the nuclear industry. I have been an advocate of it not because 72 per cent of people in an opinion poll said that they were in favour of it, although that is what drives SNP policy today. The SNP picks up a ragbag of issues in the hope of being on today's policy. As Dr Elaine Murray said, opinion polls are localised, and although nationally the SNP is against nuclear power, somebody somewhere will be for it. Local issues explain why Councillor Bob Higgins, the leader of the SNP group on Dumfries and Galloway Council, is one of the staunchest supporters of the nuclear industry. That is the reality of the SNP's position.

The debate highlights that the SNP has no real aspiration to govern, because the nuclear debate and the energy debate require leadership. I applaud Allan Wilson, John Home Robertson and others in the Labour Party, such as Brian Wilson, who have been willing to lead the debate in their party. We in Scotland have led the debate. It is important that people understand it, because the issues are serious.

The questions in the energy debate do not all have solutions with which everybody is happy. The Communities Committee recently had a lengthy discussion about another issue on which some people express opinions but do nothing—opencast mining. Such mining will provide clean coal, but it is not easy to achieve a balance on the issue. Similarly, it is not easy to satisfy all stakeholders in the nuclear industry. We require leadership and to argue for the industry, and Conservatives will continue to do that in the Scottish Parliament.

The one issue on which I disagree with John Home Robertson, as he knows, and with the minister, is double-tracking, for which I believe scope exists. As the Committee on Radioactive Waste Management continues its work, we should begin the process of commissioning new stations, because that will take a long time and many procedural issues must be overcome. We must start now.

It is clear that the existing licensed sites here in Scotland will provide the best opportunity for new nuclear development, but I will not promote a particular site. I am heartened because the leadership that has been shown in the Parliament is having an effect and ultimately we will have nuclear development in Scotland. I am heartened because I read in my local paper the comments of a leading Liberal Democrat politician, who said:

"Having seen various programmes and reports on global warming, I have come to the personal opinion that in the future there will be a place for nuclear power in our energy provision."

I am clear that when the moment comes, the Liberal Democrats in the Parliament will back nuclear power and that we will have it in Scotland.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman): Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-2691, in the name of Richard Lochhead, on nuclear power.
Richard Lochhead (North East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
During the previous debate, I noted the complaints that were made against the Scottish National Party for choosing to debate a devolved issue during a Westmi...
The Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Allan Wilson): Lab
We will now get back to reality. We must get away from ridiculous and childish scaremongering and look at the development of a safe, reliable and balanced en...
Mr Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green): Green
When will the minister consider the issue of waste storage to be resolved? Will it be when a disposal method has been identified or when a site has been put ...
Allan Wilson: Lab
The issue will be, of course, a work in progress and I will address it in due course. I am sure that the member is familiar with the consultation that is tak...
Richard Lochhead: SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Allan Wilson: Lab
If the member does not mind, I would like to make some progress. I have only five minutes.The Executive places a great deal of importance on the committee's ...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
I welcome the debate and will take the opportunity that it presents to run briefly through the Conservatives' position on nuclear power again.The Conservativ...
Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
Will the member give way?
Alex Johnstone: Con
No—I just do not have time.Today we are talking about not only nuclear power, but issues surrounding nuclear waste, on which Richard Lochhead went into great...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP): SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone: Con
I am sorry, but I cannot.Waste is an historical problem and we must not confuse that problem with the problems of this country's energy needs and its require...
Bruce Crawford: SNP
Will the member give way?
Alex Johnstone: Con
I am sorry, but I just do not have time.I want to deal with the position that is taken by the Scottish National Party and, to some extent, by the Liberal Dem...
Chris Ballance (South of Scotland) (Green): Green
We have already invoiced our grandchildren for an incalculable amount—the cost of clearing up the waste that the nuclear electricity we have burned so far ha...
David Mundell (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
It is all very well for Chris Ballance to make such arguments in Parliament and in the leafy suburbs of Edinburgh, but why does he not show the courage of hi...
Chris Ballance: Green
Mr Mundell knows perfectly well that I have been to Annan and have discussed the issues with the workers at Chapelcross.
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Would you care to draw to Mr Mundell's attention the document that the Scottish Parliament has produced on candidates...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Lab
I note what the member has said.
Chris Ballance: Green
In the case of Hunterston, the timeline assumption is that most of the cost of decommissioning will be spent not in the first two years of the budget, but in...
George Lyon (Argyll and Bute) (LD): LD
On behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, I am pleased to support the Scottish Executive amendment, which states categorically that we will not support fu...
Bruce Crawford: SNP
I assure George Lyon that when we launch our manifesto tomorrow it will be full of promises to have no more nuclear power stations. Will George Lyon rule out...
George Lyon: LD
As the amendment in the minister's name makes clear, right now we have ruled out any further development of nuclear power. As the minister made clear, Parlia...
Mr John Home Robertson (East Lothian) (Lab): Lab
I have read carefully the amendment in Jim Wallace's name, and it refers to"not supporting the further development … while waste management issues remain unr...
George Lyon: LD
It means that there will be no new nuclear power development in Scotland while this coalition Government of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats is in ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh): Con
Time is very tight. I will try to call four speakers.
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab
I am pleased to have the opportunity to discuss nuclear power again, not least because nuclear power generation has made an important contribution to the loc...
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
Will the member give way?
Dr Murray: Lab
I am sorry, but I do not have time.Every time there is a wind farm planning application, Christine Grahame opposes it. The SNP cannot have it both ways.The S...
Richard Lochhead: SNP
Will the member give way?