Chamber
Plenary, 12 Feb 2004
12 Feb 2004 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Sewage Dumping
I congratulate Rosemary Byrne on the motion and on her work in raising the profile of the issue that we are discussing.
There are three problems. First, sewage sludge is not being treated properly and it is smelling. I am told that the stench last summer at Auchengray was sometimes absolutely appalling. That is not acceptable—it is not acceptable that anyone should have to live with the stench of sewage right next to them.
Secondly, the sewage is being transported too far and the transport frequently smells, as we have heard from people throughout the south of Scotland. There is absolutely no argument for transporting sewage over large areas of the countryside. It is not a Scotland-England matter; it is a localised matter. Sewage sludge should be treated near where it is produced and disposed of near where it is produced. Thirdly, there has been no local consultation, which is a problem that has to be looked at.
Given that we cannot dump sewage sludge at sea but must dispose of it somewhere, we must find a solution. In connection with this debate, I have been sent a possible solution that we should consider. I hold in my hand a properly composted sewage sludge cake. It is mixed in the south of Scotland with straw, green waste or wood chips from waste wood from a forestry area next to Langholm and it is then turned into compost. It has been biotested by the Roslin Institute, the University of Edinburgh and the University of Strathclyde, and it has been found to be entirely pathogen-neutral, although it may well still contain heavy metals for which the leach rate has to be worked out. I am delighted to say that it is also entirely free of smell and it does not smell unpleasant under wet conditions or when heated. It looks rather like an exclusive Dutch rolling tobacco. That is the sort of direction in which we ought to be going. The cake is made by a gentleman called Billy Little, who is based in Langholm and who has received money from Scottish Enterprise Dumfries and Galloway to develop the process.
If a two-person operation in Dumfries and Galloway can compost the material properly, why cannot RWE Thames Water or the others who are dumping it process the material properly? Why do we have to live with material that smells? Chemical treatment is not the answer—adding extra chemicals to the material does not help. We suggest that composting is a possible way forward, and we hope that that suggestion is considered. We have a problem with sewage smell and we must find a real solution to it. I commend the sewage cake as a possible solution and a possible way to go.
There are three problems. First, sewage sludge is not being treated properly and it is smelling. I am told that the stench last summer at Auchengray was sometimes absolutely appalling. That is not acceptable—it is not acceptable that anyone should have to live with the stench of sewage right next to them.
Secondly, the sewage is being transported too far and the transport frequently smells, as we have heard from people throughout the south of Scotland. There is absolutely no argument for transporting sewage over large areas of the countryside. It is not a Scotland-England matter; it is a localised matter. Sewage sludge should be treated near where it is produced and disposed of near where it is produced. Thirdly, there has been no local consultation, which is a problem that has to be looked at.
Given that we cannot dump sewage sludge at sea but must dispose of it somewhere, we must find a solution. In connection with this debate, I have been sent a possible solution that we should consider. I hold in my hand a properly composted sewage sludge cake. It is mixed in the south of Scotland with straw, green waste or wood chips from waste wood from a forestry area next to Langholm and it is then turned into compost. It has been biotested by the Roslin Institute, the University of Edinburgh and the University of Strathclyde, and it has been found to be entirely pathogen-neutral, although it may well still contain heavy metals for which the leach rate has to be worked out. I am delighted to say that it is also entirely free of smell and it does not smell unpleasant under wet conditions or when heated. It looks rather like an exclusive Dutch rolling tobacco. That is the sort of direction in which we ought to be going. The cake is made by a gentleman called Billy Little, who is based in Langholm and who has received money from Scottish Enterprise Dumfries and Galloway to develop the process.
If a two-person operation in Dumfries and Galloway can compost the material properly, why cannot RWE Thames Water or the others who are dumping it process the material properly? Why do we have to live with material that smells? Chemical treatment is not the answer—adding extra chemicals to the material does not help. We suggest that composting is a possible way forward, and we hope that that suggestion is considered. We have a problem with sewage smell and we must find a real solution to it. I commend the sewage cake as a possible solution and a possible way to go.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman):
Lab
The final item of business is a members' business debate on motion S2M-770, in the name of Rosemary Byrne, on sewage dumping.
Motion debated,
That the Parliament accepts that the dumping of untreated or semi-treated sewage on land is a revolting concept to the public with potentially devastating he...
Ms Rosemary Byrne (South of Scotland) (SSP):
SSP
First, I thank members for staying behind for this debate and for taking so much interest in it. I have not stopped receiving e-mails and phone calls today; ...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
I just want to record that when I was a member of the previous Public Petitions Committee, Dorothy-Grace Elder carried out quite a lot of work on Blairingone.
Ms Byrne:
SSP
I am aware of that, and I am sure that we can learn lessons from those who were involved in that work.It appears that sewage is being disposed of in communit...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP):
SNP
I congratulate Rosemary Byrne on securing this debate and on raising a very important issue in the chamber. I also congratulate the Upperward against polluti...
The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Allan Wilson):
Lab
Does the member accept that that information might not be right? Thames Water deposits solid wastes in the Thames valley.
Roseanna Cunningham:
SNP
A great deal of investigation has been carried out in the past 48 hours on the reasoning behind the situation. The advice that we have been given is that the...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab):
Lab
I congratulate Rosemary Byrne on securing the debate. Although I do not agree with the entire content of her motion, it is important that we are able to deba...
Ms Byrne:
SSP
Will Karen Gillon elaborate on what she means by saying that members are not fully informed?
Karen Gillon:
Lab
I ask the member if she has met SEPA to discuss the issues that she has raised and, if so, what answers SEPA gave. I had a two-and-a-half hour meeting with S...
Ms Byrne:
SSP
Can I answer the member's question?
Karen Gillon:
Lab
I am afraid not. I must take SEPA at its word. The minister will have to ascertain whether there is a problem with the regulatory regime in relation to SEPA....
David Mundell (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
I congratulate Rosemary Byrne on instigating the debate. She has done a great deal of work on the issue, such as lodging questions and raising issues in Parl...
Euan Robson (Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (LD):
LD
I thank the Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development for his permission for me to say a few words on a constituency matter. The village of Newca...
Mr Adam Ingram (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I, too, congratulate Rosemary Byrne on securing the debate. I tick off David Mundell, who knows perfectly well that my colleague Alasdair Morgan has taken a ...
Chris Ballance (South of Scotland) (Green):
Green
I congratulate Rosemary Byrne on the motion and on her work in raising the profile of the issue that we are discussing.There are three problems. First, sewag...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Lab
A short extension to the time allowed for the debate would enable me to call the few remaining members who wish to speak. I am minded to accept a motion unde...
Motion moved,
That the Parliament agrees that, under Rule 8.14.3, the debate be extended by five minutes.—Alasdair Morgan.
Motion agreed to.
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
As a member of the Environment and Rural Development Committee, I was made aware of the issue slightly later than the local members. Concerns have been raise...
Karen Gillon:
Lab
Only three weeks ago, I brokered a meeting with Scottish Coal, Thames Water and Terra Eco.Systems to which representatives of the Upperward against pollution...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
I am glad to hear that some attempt has been made. We are trying to find means of having these communications out in the open at an early stage, but the evid...
Mr Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green):
Green
Like others, I congratulate Rosemary Byrne on securing a debate on this controversial topic. The use of human waste as a fertiliser is controversial not only...
Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Public consultation on the issue has been significantly lacking. At the well-attended meeting in Douglas to which I went, many people did not know what was g...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Lab
I call the minister to wind up. He has seven minutes.
The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Allan Wilson):
Lab
I will be as brief as I can, but these are serious issues.I add my congratulations to Rosemary Byrne on securing tonight's debate, because the Executive ackn...
Mr Ingram:
SNP
I hear what the minister is saying, but does he recognise that there is inconsistency in the way that the water companies treat sludge at the point of produc...