Chamber
Plenary, 19 Mar 2003
19 Mar 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Charity Law Reform
As members know all too well, charities form a vital part of Scottish life. Their unique qualities mean that they are especially well equipped to provide to the public services that are sensitive to local needs. Social justice, community regeneration and skills development are but a few of the objectives that charities can help us to achieve. Charities are, however, forced to work in a complicated and archaic legal framework that does little to support them.
Existing charity law is based on a statute that was passed in 1601. In May 2001, the report of the Scottish Charity Law Review Commission—the McFadden report—found, not surprisingly, that it was high time, 400 years later, for an update of the law on charity. The McFadden report was the result of a wide-ranging year-long consultation process, in which questionnaires and leaflets were sent to every organisation that is recognised as a charity in Scotland, and with large public meetings being held in our major cities.
When the commission concluded its work, its final recommendations were referred back to the charity sector for approval; its response was overwhelming support for the recommendations. In essence, the McFadden report recommended a complete overhaul of the current system. The Executive has accepted the case for charity law reform and has thereby taken an important step towards creating a framework that is fit for the 21st century.
It is now time to move on from positive sounds to positive actions. There are some important implications for legislation, which should not be allowed to fall by the wayside. One of the commission's key findings was that the 1601 definition of a charity no longer fits today's public perception of a charity. The public view of charities 400 years ago was that they were apolitical organisations that pursued objectives such as the advancement of religion, education or poverty relief. These days, such a narrow definition is insufficient.
As members know, there are about 50,000 voluntary organisations throughout Scotland; however, only 28,000 are recognised by the Inland Revenue as Scottish charities. Many organisations that members of the public assume are charities do not have that status, Amnesty International UK and Greenpeace being two examples. Because those charities seek to influence legislation and are, in a sense, political, they are unable to benefit from having charitable status. At the same time, there are many publicly funded organisations—quangos by any other name—that the person on the street would not think of as charities, yet which have charitable status and are subsidised by the taxpayer. It is time that we introduced new legislation to reflect and protect charities today.
McFadden recommended four defining principles for Scottish charities: First, a charity should be for the public benefit. That should be its overriding purpose, which is essential if charities are to maintain their good names. Secondly, they should not be profit-distributing organisations. Thirdly, they should be independent and lastly, they should be able to have political—but not party-political—aims. I acknowledge that there needs to be a debate on what constitutes public benefit and on how we define bodies' independence. As for the political aspect, members need not fear—I do not think that anybody is proposing that the Official Monster Raving Loony Party should become eligible for subsidy. Many charities have a political lobbying arm, but that does not make their aims any less laudable.
Westminster is currently looking into redefining charitable status. It would be ideal if there were a convergence of views between here and Westminster and if we shared our information and thinking. It looks, however, as if legislation will not reach the UK Parliament until 2005, but Scotland need not wait until then because the Labour party, with others, has made an absolute commitment to legislating through a single charities bill.
Let me turn to regulation of charities. In Scotland, charities are not currently monitored to ensure that they comply with the existing body of legislation. They are not required to lodge financial or any other information centrally and, although they are required to provide copies of their accounts on request to members of the public, they do not have to provide core information, such as how many people they employ and what they spend on fundraising.
As organisations that are known for their lack of profit motive and for being run by dedicated staff with loads of committed volunteers, charities are usually rightly viewed with trust and respect by society. In fact, surviving as they do on donations, their good name is their life-blood. However, under today's less than robust legislation, the bad practices of a few charities might muddy the names of the others to the cost of society as a whole. Therefore, there is a clear need for a legislative framework for charity regulation.
In England and Wales, the Charity Commission establishes charitable status and is the centre for charity regulation. It is clear that the independence of that organisation is valued; in fact, the strategy unit in Westminster is working on making England's Charity Commission more independent. We have no equivalent organisation in Scotland, but the McFadden commission shows that there is a widespread belief among charities that that situation must change. I believe that the Executive shares that view and I welcome its stated aim of putting in place a new regulator for Scottish charities that is proportionate, independent, accountable, transparent, consistent and fair. However, I urge the minister to consider putting the proposed new regulator on a statutory footing as part of the key guarantee of independence and stability.
The way in which the Executive has involved the charity sector in consultation is to be commended. We in the Parliament pride ourselves on our inclusive approach, which sets us apart as an effective democracy, but if we are to come up with a sustainable solution, consultation must be continuous. We must face the fact that if the solution is to last for the next 400 years—as the current legislation has—it had better be sustainable. Consensual legislation will be strong legislation, so a charities (Scotland) act that reflects the McFadden report is crucial to our relationship with the charity sector and to our reputation as an inclusive legislature. Consultation must be seen to be more than mere gesture.
Things are already changing for the better for charities in Scotland. Reform that is suited to Scottish needs and which is informed by local consultation on the charity agenda is a breath of fresh air in a stale and neglected corner of the law. That is illustrated by the comments of an employee of the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations, who said:
"Before devolution I was a policy officer with SCVO and spent most of my time travelling to London to persuade politicians down there that issues of interest to the Scottish voluntary sector were worthy of a small amount of parliamentary time. We spent eight years trying to get charity law on to the agenda of the Westminster Parliament, but it was on the agenda of the Scottish Parliament from the word go."
Let us not lose that momentum. Charities are the heartbeat of civic society and they protect our values in an age of cynicism and social fragmentation. However, we should not through haste lose the essence of reform. We need a modern definition of a charity so that we can support organisations that deserve help, and we need a body that is sufficiently independent of Government influence to protect and regulate the sector. I urge the minister to put the commendable work that has already been undertaken to good use and to make rapid progress on charity law reform.
Existing charity law is based on a statute that was passed in 1601. In May 2001, the report of the Scottish Charity Law Review Commission—the McFadden report—found, not surprisingly, that it was high time, 400 years later, for an update of the law on charity. The McFadden report was the result of a wide-ranging year-long consultation process, in which questionnaires and leaflets were sent to every organisation that is recognised as a charity in Scotland, and with large public meetings being held in our major cities.
When the commission concluded its work, its final recommendations were referred back to the charity sector for approval; its response was overwhelming support for the recommendations. In essence, the McFadden report recommended a complete overhaul of the current system. The Executive has accepted the case for charity law reform and has thereby taken an important step towards creating a framework that is fit for the 21st century.
It is now time to move on from positive sounds to positive actions. There are some important implications for legislation, which should not be allowed to fall by the wayside. One of the commission's key findings was that the 1601 definition of a charity no longer fits today's public perception of a charity. The public view of charities 400 years ago was that they were apolitical organisations that pursued objectives such as the advancement of religion, education or poverty relief. These days, such a narrow definition is insufficient.
As members know, there are about 50,000 voluntary organisations throughout Scotland; however, only 28,000 are recognised by the Inland Revenue as Scottish charities. Many organisations that members of the public assume are charities do not have that status, Amnesty International UK and Greenpeace being two examples. Because those charities seek to influence legislation and are, in a sense, political, they are unable to benefit from having charitable status. At the same time, there are many publicly funded organisations—quangos by any other name—that the person on the street would not think of as charities, yet which have charitable status and are subsidised by the taxpayer. It is time that we introduced new legislation to reflect and protect charities today.
McFadden recommended four defining principles for Scottish charities: First, a charity should be for the public benefit. That should be its overriding purpose, which is essential if charities are to maintain their good names. Secondly, they should not be profit-distributing organisations. Thirdly, they should be independent and lastly, they should be able to have political—but not party-political—aims. I acknowledge that there needs to be a debate on what constitutes public benefit and on how we define bodies' independence. As for the political aspect, members need not fear—I do not think that anybody is proposing that the Official Monster Raving Loony Party should become eligible for subsidy. Many charities have a political lobbying arm, but that does not make their aims any less laudable.
Westminster is currently looking into redefining charitable status. It would be ideal if there were a convergence of views between here and Westminster and if we shared our information and thinking. It looks, however, as if legislation will not reach the UK Parliament until 2005, but Scotland need not wait until then because the Labour party, with others, has made an absolute commitment to legislating through a single charities bill.
Let me turn to regulation of charities. In Scotland, charities are not currently monitored to ensure that they comply with the existing body of legislation. They are not required to lodge financial or any other information centrally and, although they are required to provide copies of their accounts on request to members of the public, they do not have to provide core information, such as how many people they employ and what they spend on fundraising.
As organisations that are known for their lack of profit motive and for being run by dedicated staff with loads of committed volunteers, charities are usually rightly viewed with trust and respect by society. In fact, surviving as they do on donations, their good name is their life-blood. However, under today's less than robust legislation, the bad practices of a few charities might muddy the names of the others to the cost of society as a whole. Therefore, there is a clear need for a legislative framework for charity regulation.
In England and Wales, the Charity Commission establishes charitable status and is the centre for charity regulation. It is clear that the independence of that organisation is valued; in fact, the strategy unit in Westminster is working on making England's Charity Commission more independent. We have no equivalent organisation in Scotland, but the McFadden commission shows that there is a widespread belief among charities that that situation must change. I believe that the Executive shares that view and I welcome its stated aim of putting in place a new regulator for Scottish charities that is proportionate, independent, accountable, transparent, consistent and fair. However, I urge the minister to consider putting the proposed new regulator on a statutory footing as part of the key guarantee of independence and stability.
The way in which the Executive has involved the charity sector in consultation is to be commended. We in the Parliament pride ourselves on our inclusive approach, which sets us apart as an effective democracy, but if we are to come up with a sustainable solution, consultation must be continuous. We must face the fact that if the solution is to last for the next 400 years—as the current legislation has—it had better be sustainable. Consensual legislation will be strong legislation, so a charities (Scotland) act that reflects the McFadden report is crucial to our relationship with the charity sector and to our reputation as an inclusive legislature. Consultation must be seen to be more than mere gesture.
Things are already changing for the better for charities in Scotland. Reform that is suited to Scottish needs and which is informed by local consultation on the charity agenda is a breath of fresh air in a stale and neglected corner of the law. That is illustrated by the comments of an employee of the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations, who said:
"Before devolution I was a policy officer with SCVO and spent most of my time travelling to London to persuade politicians down there that issues of interest to the Scottish voluntary sector were worthy of a small amount of parliamentary time. We spent eight years trying to get charity law on to the agenda of the Westminster Parliament, but it was on the agenda of the Scottish Parliament from the word go."
Let us not lose that momentum. Charities are the heartbeat of civic society and they protect our values in an age of cynicism and social fragmentation. However, we should not through haste lose the essence of reform. We need a modern definition of a charity so that we can support organisations that deserve help, and we need a body that is sufficiently independent of Government influence to protect and regulate the sector. I urge the minister to put the commendable work that has already been undertaken to good use and to make rapid progress on charity law reform.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
SNP
The final item of business today is a members' business debate on motion S1M-3961, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on reform of charity law.
Motion debated,
That the Parliament shares the Scottish Executive's commitment to progressing the reform of charity law; recognises that this will assist in developing the c...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
As members know all too well, charities form a vital part of Scottish life. Their unique qualities mean that they are especially well equipped to provide to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Because the stage 3 debate on the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Bill runs on tomorrow, the clock runs on as well. I will advise members when ...
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
I apologise for having to rush off before the debate ends.It will not have escaped Jackie Baillie's notice that I have not signed the motion that we are deba...
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con):
Con
I declare an interest, as I am the trustee of a small charitable trust. I am also active in some other charities, including the Edinburgh support group of Ho...
The Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport (Mike Watson):
Lab
Yes, why not? I was just responding to Lord James Douglas-Hamilton's comments on the act the name of which I will not repeat: it seemed to me to be the mothe...
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton:
Con
I thank Mike Watson for his contribution.We need easily accessible information to help to protect against bogus charities and to make it easy for members of ...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD):
LD
I congratulate Jackie Baillie on getting the debate. Her personal commitment, as a minister and as a back bencher, to charities is certainly well known. She ...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green):
Green
I congratulate Jackie Baillie on initiating the debate and on the motion, which I signed. I agree with Tricia Marwick that four years is a long time for 50,0...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab):
Lab
I congratulate Jackie Baillie on bringing the debate to the Parliament. I had been looking forward to it, but then we heard from Tricia Marwick and Donald Go...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Johann Lamont:
Lab
If the member lets me finish my point.In its deliberations on the voluntary sector, the Social Justice Committee said that there had to be progress on charit...
Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Like my colleague Tricia Marwick, I did not sign up to Jackie Baillie's motion. That was not because I did not want it to be discussed—I want it to be discus...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab):
Lab
I speak with some trepidation, given the substantial experience of many of the members who have spoken in the debate and their contributions to the work of c...
Linda Fabiani:
SNP
Will the member give way?
Brian Fitzpatrick:
Lab
On gracelessness? Certainly.
Linda Fabiani:
SNP
That is the kind of attitude that I have problems with—the attitude that, as the debate is about the voluntary sector and charity law, it is not about politi...
Brian Fitzpatrick:
Lab
I am obliged to Linda Fabiani for that corroboration of my point.I wanted to make a point about the way in which people come to be involved in charities and ...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
Name one.
Brian Fitzpatrick:
Lab
I was thinking of 1603, actually.The opportunity to conduct that overhaul will be available to us in the next session of Parliament. It can be done through a...
The Deputy Minister for Justice (Hugh Henry):
Lab
Jackie Baillie has done us a favour in giving us an opportunity to focus yet again on the critical role that charities and voluntary organisations play in th...
Fiona Hyslop:
SNP
The Minister for Social Justice and I were both members of the Social Justice Committee before Johann Lamont became a member of the committee. At that time, ...
Hugh Henry:
Lab
I was about to say that, as far as using the same definition or a different one is concerned, we have ruled nothing out. However, we should bear it in mind t...
Cathy Peattie (Falkirk East) (Lab):
Lab
As Johann Lamont pointed out, the voluntary sector does not just include organisations that are involved in social justice; it covers sport, the environment,...
Hugh Henry:
Lab
I agree entirely with that comment.I want to return to points that members made about the need for legislation and about putting the regulator on to a statut...
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton:
Con
Is the subject suitable for a committee investigation, or even a committee bill, given that such bills have been one of the Parliament's triumphs?
Hugh Henry:
Lab
That is entirely a matter for the new committees of the next Parliament. Over the first four years of the Parliament, the committees have demonstrated their ...
Meeting closed at 17:46.