Chamber
Plenary, 26 Feb 2003
26 Feb 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Ethical Investment
I will return to the convention of congratulating the member who has secured the debate, not least because constituency members are lobbied about issues and bombarded with demands and it is significant when one of us brings such an issue into the heart of the chamber. Angus MacKay is to be congratulated on bringing the issue to the fore.
I also congratulate People & Planet and my alma mater, the University of Edinburgh, on their progressive stance. Whether we are in the Parliament or in our leading higher education institutions, it is vital that, as well as focusing on our day-to-day activities, we think about the world in which we live and take actions that will influence the world for the better. The efforts that the University of Edinburgh has made in that regard are genuinely to be congratulated.
It is worth stating why the principle of ethical investment is important. To use a much maligned phrase, I will go back to basics. It is important to remember that much of what we do in our lives—arguably all of it—is governed by a set of values and beliefs; if it is not, it ought to be. How much more important is it that decisions about money are governed by values and beliefs, whether those decisions are for us as individuals or for corporate entities? Money can and does talk and money makes a difference. When a major corporate entity such as the University of Edinburgh, with its £160 million wealth, decides to direct that resource in a way that is driven by a particular value base, that makes a difference.
I say to those who are involved in campaigning about ethical investment that I am conscious that sometimes much of what we all do in politics and more widely can feel like a thankless task—sometimes it can feel as though our actions do not make a difference. However, some members can remember being involved in comparable campaigns and activities 20-odd years ago. In my case, at the University of Edinburgh, we campaigned with some success for the university to take investment decisions based on values and beliefs. The aim was to avoid companies that invested in the apartheid regime in South Africa. That regime is no more. I believe that the campaigns and investment decisions of the time played a part in delivering that result, albeit along with myriad other small activities across the country and the world. Those who are involved in the current campaign should be encouraged. I hope that the experiences that some of us had in the past—I am starting to feel old—will provide encouragement for the work that they are doing.
I wish to say a few words about the wider issue of ethical investment, which is an idea whose time has come. It is growing in popularity. In the brief research that I did for the debate, I was struck to read that in the UK there are now more than 40 unit and investment trusts with ethical criteria and that those trusts are valued at more than £2 billion. The graphs show that there has been steady growth in the demand for ethical investment over the past decade.
I am also struck that the demand for ethical investment products is now such that it is unmet. That is encouraging. It shows that, in a world where materialism undoubtedly speaks loudly and has great influence, many individuals and corporate entities are prepared to think beyond simple financial criteria about values and beliefs. The work that the University of Edinburgh is doing in that regard is to be encouraged and welcomed and I am happy to give it my support tonight.
I also congratulate People & Planet and my alma mater, the University of Edinburgh, on their progressive stance. Whether we are in the Parliament or in our leading higher education institutions, it is vital that, as well as focusing on our day-to-day activities, we think about the world in which we live and take actions that will influence the world for the better. The efforts that the University of Edinburgh has made in that regard are genuinely to be congratulated.
It is worth stating why the principle of ethical investment is important. To use a much maligned phrase, I will go back to basics. It is important to remember that much of what we do in our lives—arguably all of it—is governed by a set of values and beliefs; if it is not, it ought to be. How much more important is it that decisions about money are governed by values and beliefs, whether those decisions are for us as individuals or for corporate entities? Money can and does talk and money makes a difference. When a major corporate entity such as the University of Edinburgh, with its £160 million wealth, decides to direct that resource in a way that is driven by a particular value base, that makes a difference.
I say to those who are involved in campaigning about ethical investment that I am conscious that sometimes much of what we all do in politics and more widely can feel like a thankless task—sometimes it can feel as though our actions do not make a difference. However, some members can remember being involved in comparable campaigns and activities 20-odd years ago. In my case, at the University of Edinburgh, we campaigned with some success for the university to take investment decisions based on values and beliefs. The aim was to avoid companies that invested in the apartheid regime in South Africa. That regime is no more. I believe that the campaigns and investment decisions of the time played a part in delivering that result, albeit along with myriad other small activities across the country and the world. Those who are involved in the current campaign should be encouraged. I hope that the experiences that some of us had in the past—I am starting to feel old—will provide encouragement for the work that they are doing.
I wish to say a few words about the wider issue of ethical investment, which is an idea whose time has come. It is growing in popularity. In the brief research that I did for the debate, I was struck to read that in the UK there are now more than 40 unit and investment trusts with ethical criteria and that those trusts are valued at more than £2 billion. The graphs show that there has been steady growth in the demand for ethical investment over the past decade.
I am also struck that the demand for ethical investment products is now such that it is unmet. That is encouraging. It shows that, in a world where materialism undoubtedly speaks loudly and has great influence, many individuals and corporate entities are prepared to think beyond simple financial criteria about values and beliefs. The work that the University of Edinburgh is doing in that regard is to be encouraged and welcomed and I am happy to give it my support tonight.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
SNP
We come to our members' business debate, on motion S1M-3723, in the name of Angus MacKay, on ethical investment.
Motion debated,
That the Parliament notes the work of Edinburgh University People and Planet group and the decision of the Edinburgh University Students' Association to endo...
Angus MacKay (Edinburgh South) (Lab):
Lab
I am delighted to have the opportunity to raise the issue of ethical investment in the chamber today. The fact that I am able to do so is testimony to the ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Six members have indicated that they would like to take part in the debate. That will allow speeches of about four minutes.
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green):
Green
I must declare two interests. First, I am rector of the University of Edinburgh and will be for another 10 days. Secondly, my entire investment portfolio, su...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
You have one minute.
Robin Harper:
Green
I will not need even one minute, Presiding Officer. I congratulate Angus MacKay on his motion, I congratulate the People & Planet group and I congratulate th...
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab):
Lab
I congratulate Angus MacKay on his success in securing the debate. At this stage of the parliamentary session, it is increasingly difficult to get a motion o...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
I also congratulate Angus MacKay on securing tonight's debate. In addition, we should extend our congratulations to People & Planet on its campaign and we sh...
Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con):
Con
The normal custom is to congratulate the member who has secured the debate, but tonight I would rather congratulate People & Planet, which obviously has trem...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mr Davidson:
Con
One moment, please.I came to the chamber with a blank sheet of paper just to listen, because I am puzzled about what the minister will say when he sums up. T...
Brian Fitzpatrick:
Lab
The member seems to subscribe to the old paradigm that an ethical investment policy is contradictory and that the only ambition of the university should be t...
Mr Davidson:
Con
Both can be done together quite successfully. However, the international reputation of the University of Edinburgh—or the decision of a student who is desper...
Susan Deacon (Edinburgh East and Musselburgh) (Lab):
Lab
I will return to the convention of congratulating the member who has secured the debate, not least because constituency members are lobbied about issues and ...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD):
LD
Those who have pricked our conscience with the motion are to be congratulated. We could all examine our own activities. I have modest, ethical individual sav...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab):
Lab
I, too, congratulate Angus MacKay on lodging the motion, which I am happy to support. I suppose that I should get the niceties out of the way and refer to my...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Indeed he can. To respond to the debate, I call Lewis Macdonald.
The Deputy Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning (Lewis Macdonald):
Lab
I am pleased to join those who have welcomed the lodging of the motion and who have congratulated Angus MacKay on securing the debate.Ethical investment is r...
Brian Fitzpatrick:
Lab
Does the minister accept that he and his ministerial colleagues have their hands on a number of key policy drivers? They can support some of the largest empl...
Lewis Macdonald:
Lab
Absolutely. I want to emphasise that, in developing our approach to corporate social responsibility and continuing to promote it, we already have a number of...
Meeting closed at 17:39.