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Plenary, 26 Feb 2003

26 Feb 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Ethical Investment
I also congratulate Angus MacKay on securing tonight's debate. In addition, we should extend our congratulations to People & Planet on its campaign and we should welcome the University of Edinburgh's decision to embrace and participate in the dialogue and debate to ensure that there is ethical investment. The Deputy Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning may find some challenge in responding to tonight's debate given the great deal of consensus about the importance of ethical investment and what has been achieved. I await his comments with interest.

I want to touch on several points. The fact that 500 students turned out at a meeting shows that the idea that young people do not care about the things that matter, such as human rights, is misplaced. It is clear that people care and that it is important that they be given a forum and an opportunity so that they can do something practical. The success of that meeting shows that campaigning of whatever form—whether it be political with a small p or otherwise—can achieve results. People & Planet provides a good example of how well-informed grass-roots campaigning can achieve a response, and a very positive response at that.

When, in a former life many years ago, I worked in financial services, ethical investment and green funds were seen as being something that only those who fitted a certain stereotype would want to take part in. However, over the years, ethical investment issues have increasingly become part and parcel of the fabric of investment. As Angus MacKay pointed out, just because money is ethically invested does not necessarily mean second-class investment returns. Indeed, ethical investment is becoming part and parcel of modern investment practices.

The point that was made about leverage is important. The days when investment was just about profit and when no interest was taken in whether the investment conflicted with human rights or promoted arms sales have long gone. Corporate governance, in whatever shape or form, is here to stay. Ethical investment is not just about consumer choice; it is now part of the fabric of our investment choices. Such investments are no longer simply a nice charitable thing to do but are very much something that is here to stay.

It is vital that we raise the issue of ethical investment, and perhaps especially at this time, when we reflect on the importance of human rights and on what is happening in countries such as Iraq. We must also consider what the Government itself has done and whether its ethical foreign policy has perhaps disappeared from sight.

Whenever we pontificate, congratulate, comment on or debate the policies of other bodies and organisations such as the University of Edinburgh, we also need to look at ourselves and consider the policies of the Scottish Parliament and the Westminster Parliament. I therefore ask the Presiding Officer that the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body consider what the Parliament itself is doing, to ensure that it makes ethical investments and promotes corporate social responsibility, so that we are not simply commenting on others in isolation.

One offshoot that might come from People & Planet's achievement is that it might make us all look more closely at what we do. I hope that we can ensure that this worthy and important debate continues. The debate is not only about how people can use their right to demonstrate to achieve change at the University of Edinburgh but about how we need to highlight the importance of fulfilling our global responsibilities. We can do that by starting at home.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): SNP
We come to our members' business debate, on motion S1M-3723, in the name of Angus MacKay, on ethical investment.
Motion debated,
That the Parliament notes the work of Edinburgh University People and Planet group and the decision of the Edinburgh University Students' Association to endo...
Angus MacKay (Edinburgh South) (Lab): Lab
I am delighted to have the opportunity to raise the issue of ethical investment in the chamber today. The fact that I am able to do so is testimony to the ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
Six members have indicated that they would like to take part in the debate. That will allow speeches of about four minutes.
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green): Green
I must declare two interests. First, I am rector of the University of Edinburgh and will be for another 10 days. Secondly, my entire investment portfolio, su...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
You have one minute.
Robin Harper: Green
I will not need even one minute, Presiding Officer. I congratulate Angus MacKay on his motion, I congratulate the People & Planet group and I congratulate th...
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab): Lab
I congratulate Angus MacKay on his success in securing the debate. At this stage of the parliamentary session, it is increasingly difficult to get a motion o...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I also congratulate Angus MacKay on securing tonight's debate. In addition, we should extend our congratulations to People & Planet on its campaign and we sh...
Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con): Con
The normal custom is to congratulate the member who has secured the debate, but tonight I would rather congratulate People & Planet, which obviously has trem...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab): Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mr Davidson: Con
One moment, please.I came to the chamber with a blank sheet of paper just to listen, because I am puzzled about what the minister will say when he sums up. T...
Brian Fitzpatrick: Lab
The member seems to subscribe to the old paradigm that an ethical investment policy is contradictory and that the only ambition of the university should be t...
Mr Davidson: Con
Both can be done together quite successfully. However, the international reputation of the University of Edinburgh—or the decision of a student who is desper...
Susan Deacon (Edinburgh East and Musselburgh) (Lab): Lab
I will return to the convention of congratulating the member who has secured the debate, not least because constituency members are lobbied about issues and ...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD
Those who have pricked our conscience with the motion are to be congratulated. We could all examine our own activities. I have modest, ethical individual sav...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab): Lab
I, too, congratulate Angus MacKay on lodging the motion, which I am happy to support. I suppose that I should get the niceties out of the way and refer to my...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
Indeed he can. To respond to the debate, I call Lewis Macdonald.
The Deputy Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning (Lewis Macdonald): Lab
I am pleased to join those who have welcomed the lodging of the motion and who have congratulated Angus MacKay on securing the debate.Ethical investment is r...
Brian Fitzpatrick: Lab
Does the minister accept that he and his ministerial colleagues have their hands on a number of key policy drivers? They can support some of the largest empl...
Lewis Macdonald: Lab
Absolutely. I want to emphasise that, in developing our approach to corporate social responsibility and continuing to promote it, we already have a number of...
Meeting closed at 17:39.