Chamber
Plenary, 26 Feb 2003
26 Feb 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Ethical Investment
I congratulate Angus MacKay on his success in securing the debate. At this stage of the parliamentary session, it is increasingly difficult to get a motion on the evening's agenda.
The motion is an excellent example of grass-roots campaigning by People & Planet. I want to add my support for the work that it has already carried out in raising awareness of the power of the major institutions in our society to make a statement about their values and principles and to use their investment powers wisely. The People & Planet group has encouraged the deliberate use of such power, in a way that influences the financial sector and business.
It is appropriate that Angus MacKay has brought the issue to the Parliament. As parliamentarians, we can add our weight and our voices to the issues that have been raised at the University of Edinburgh.
The motion raises vital issues, such as the transparency of the way in which firms and major institutions conduct their business. It is appropriate for major institutions such as the University of Edinburgh to ask questions about firms' records on human rights, on the exploitation of workers and on pollution or irresponsible arms sales. If they get the wrong answers to those questions, they have the power not to invest in those companies. However, they need to obtain that information in the first place.
I hope that the debate will help to progress matters. We should encourage companies to adopt positive, proactive policies and to have a positive investment strategy. Angus MacKay highlighted the benefits that firms and companies that work towards socially responsible investment can gain. Such institutions attract investors. They have attracted the investments of individuals, as Robin Harper has said, and of major organisations that have serious financial clout.
Adopting a more ethical or socially responsible approach to the environment or to human rights can be good for business. It is good for a company's public relations and its reputation. Companies' adoption of such policies can help to shape the investment strategies of more conventional and mainstream companies.
I am particularly glad that the debate is being held tonight, as the European Committee is considering corporate social responsibility. We have looked at how we in Scotland can encourage companies and major public sector institutions to develop the concept of corporate social responsibility. Although the committee is near the end of its inquiry, I would like to make members aware of why it took up the issue in the first place. I suspect that there are similarities between our approach and what generated the interest of People & Planet.
The European Committee investigated the issue because it is highly conscious of the impact of global restructuring and the price that Scottish workers have paid for that. The inquiry was also inspired by our visit to the European Commission in Brussels last year. The Commission asked us to look at Scotland's contribution to generating employment, to consider issues such as equal opportunities, women's rights and access to the labour market for disadvantaged groups and to think about whether there was a Scottish approach to corporate social responsibility.
We started our inquiry against the backdrop of the work that was being done in Johannesburg at the world summit on sustainable development. The need for the environmental accountability of firms was highlighted, as was the need for firms to report annually on how they impacted locally and globally on the environment. We also highlighted how firms should try to say what steps they are taking to lessen the adverse impact of their company's work on the environment. One key issue that the European Committee considered is the role of major public sector organisations, such as the Scottish Executive or the University of Edinburgh, and how such organisations can lead the way.
I am glad to be able to support Angus MacKay's motion, and I am glad that he has brought the issue to the Parliament. I hope that by debating tonight's motion we can learn the lessons that have been learned at the University of Edinburgh and encourage other institutions to take a similar view. We need champions; we need people who are prepared to do their homework; and we need people who are prepared to raise the issue and campaign on it. I support Angus MacKay's motion and I hope that others will take the issue further, beyond the University of Edinburgh.
In his summation, I hope that Lewis Macdonald will give us some insight into how the Executive can further promote the debate.
The motion is an excellent example of grass-roots campaigning by People & Planet. I want to add my support for the work that it has already carried out in raising awareness of the power of the major institutions in our society to make a statement about their values and principles and to use their investment powers wisely. The People & Planet group has encouraged the deliberate use of such power, in a way that influences the financial sector and business.
It is appropriate that Angus MacKay has brought the issue to the Parliament. As parliamentarians, we can add our weight and our voices to the issues that have been raised at the University of Edinburgh.
The motion raises vital issues, such as the transparency of the way in which firms and major institutions conduct their business. It is appropriate for major institutions such as the University of Edinburgh to ask questions about firms' records on human rights, on the exploitation of workers and on pollution or irresponsible arms sales. If they get the wrong answers to those questions, they have the power not to invest in those companies. However, they need to obtain that information in the first place.
I hope that the debate will help to progress matters. We should encourage companies to adopt positive, proactive policies and to have a positive investment strategy. Angus MacKay highlighted the benefits that firms and companies that work towards socially responsible investment can gain. Such institutions attract investors. They have attracted the investments of individuals, as Robin Harper has said, and of major organisations that have serious financial clout.
Adopting a more ethical or socially responsible approach to the environment or to human rights can be good for business. It is good for a company's public relations and its reputation. Companies' adoption of such policies can help to shape the investment strategies of more conventional and mainstream companies.
I am particularly glad that the debate is being held tonight, as the European Committee is considering corporate social responsibility. We have looked at how we in Scotland can encourage companies and major public sector institutions to develop the concept of corporate social responsibility. Although the committee is near the end of its inquiry, I would like to make members aware of why it took up the issue in the first place. I suspect that there are similarities between our approach and what generated the interest of People & Planet.
The European Committee investigated the issue because it is highly conscious of the impact of global restructuring and the price that Scottish workers have paid for that. The inquiry was also inspired by our visit to the European Commission in Brussels last year. The Commission asked us to look at Scotland's contribution to generating employment, to consider issues such as equal opportunities, women's rights and access to the labour market for disadvantaged groups and to think about whether there was a Scottish approach to corporate social responsibility.
We started our inquiry against the backdrop of the work that was being done in Johannesburg at the world summit on sustainable development. The need for the environmental accountability of firms was highlighted, as was the need for firms to report annually on how they impacted locally and globally on the environment. We also highlighted how firms should try to say what steps they are taking to lessen the adverse impact of their company's work on the environment. One key issue that the European Committee considered is the role of major public sector organisations, such as the Scottish Executive or the University of Edinburgh, and how such organisations can lead the way.
I am glad to be able to support Angus MacKay's motion, and I am glad that he has brought the issue to the Parliament. I hope that by debating tonight's motion we can learn the lessons that have been learned at the University of Edinburgh and encourage other institutions to take a similar view. We need champions; we need people who are prepared to do their homework; and we need people who are prepared to raise the issue and campaign on it. I support Angus MacKay's motion and I hope that others will take the issue further, beyond the University of Edinburgh.
In his summation, I hope that Lewis Macdonald will give us some insight into how the Executive can further promote the debate.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
SNP
We come to our members' business debate, on motion S1M-3723, in the name of Angus MacKay, on ethical investment.
Motion debated,
That the Parliament notes the work of Edinburgh University People and Planet group and the decision of the Edinburgh University Students' Association to endo...
Angus MacKay (Edinburgh South) (Lab):
Lab
I am delighted to have the opportunity to raise the issue of ethical investment in the chamber today. The fact that I am able to do so is testimony to the ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Six members have indicated that they would like to take part in the debate. That will allow speeches of about four minutes.
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green):
Green
I must declare two interests. First, I am rector of the University of Edinburgh and will be for another 10 days. Secondly, my entire investment portfolio, su...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
You have one minute.
Robin Harper:
Green
I will not need even one minute, Presiding Officer. I congratulate Angus MacKay on his motion, I congratulate the People & Planet group and I congratulate th...
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab):
Lab
I congratulate Angus MacKay on his success in securing the debate. At this stage of the parliamentary session, it is increasingly difficult to get a motion o...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
I also congratulate Angus MacKay on securing tonight's debate. In addition, we should extend our congratulations to People & Planet on its campaign and we sh...
Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con):
Con
The normal custom is to congratulate the member who has secured the debate, but tonight I would rather congratulate People & Planet, which obviously has trem...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mr Davidson:
Con
One moment, please.I came to the chamber with a blank sheet of paper just to listen, because I am puzzled about what the minister will say when he sums up. T...
Brian Fitzpatrick:
Lab
The member seems to subscribe to the old paradigm that an ethical investment policy is contradictory and that the only ambition of the university should be t...
Mr Davidson:
Con
Both can be done together quite successfully. However, the international reputation of the University of Edinburgh—or the decision of a student who is desper...
Susan Deacon (Edinburgh East and Musselburgh) (Lab):
Lab
I will return to the convention of congratulating the member who has secured the debate, not least because constituency members are lobbied about issues and ...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD):
LD
Those who have pricked our conscience with the motion are to be congratulated. We could all examine our own activities. I have modest, ethical individual sav...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab):
Lab
I, too, congratulate Angus MacKay on lodging the motion, which I am happy to support. I suppose that I should get the niceties out of the way and refer to my...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Indeed he can. To respond to the debate, I call Lewis Macdonald.
The Deputy Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning (Lewis Macdonald):
Lab
I am pleased to join those who have welcomed the lodging of the motion and who have congratulated Angus MacKay on securing the debate.Ethical investment is r...
Brian Fitzpatrick:
Lab
Does the minister accept that he and his ministerial colleagues have their hands on a number of key policy drivers? They can support some of the largest empl...
Lewis Macdonald:
Lab
Absolutely. I want to emphasise that, in developing our approach to corporate social responsibility and continuing to promote it, we already have a number of...
Meeting closed at 17:39.