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Chamber

Plenary, 12 Feb 2003

12 Feb 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill
I welcome the minister's assurance about giving support, guidance and training—or words to that effect—to the voluntary sector, which has to deal with its side of the bill. However, I would like to press the minister on the issue of money. The voluntary organisations face a triple whammy of more expense: first, there is their part in administering the police checks under part V of the Police Act 1997; secondly, there will be duties imposed on them under the bill; and thirdly, there will be insurance costs arising from the bill and from related issues.

The police checks are very complicated. One large youth organisation says that 66 per cent of its people have not yet gone through the checks, and the minister could help by reducing the bureaucracy involved. Although individual checks are paid for by the Executive, which is most welcome, the considerable administrative costs sometimes go well into five figures for national youth organisations, and into smaller thousands for smaller organisations. That is big money for them. The cost of implementing the bill, which involves training and recruiting staff who know about the process and who can train others, and of the legal and other expenses is also estimated in five figures for some of the large organisations.

Insurance costs will also arise. We are an increasingly litigious society, and organisations could be sued by people who have been recommended to be put on the list and who see that as a slur on their character. There could also be suits from parents whose children have had bad experiences and who feel that the organisation did not check adequately. Both ways, the cost will be significant, and again some of the organisations quote estimates well into five figures.

I urge the minister to give an assurance that there will be money to help those organisations, as well as guidance. For them, tens of thousands of pounds is very big money, but it is quite small money for the minister's budget. The bill is an important measure and a good one, but it is only fair that those who have to co-operate with it and who do not have the money should get that money, and are paid to administer the provisions correctly.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh): Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S1M-3705, in the name of Cathy Jamieson, that the Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill be passed.I call on ...
The Minister for Education and Young People (Cathy Jamieson): Lab
I am sure that the Presiding Officer does not want me to be so flexible that I take up the next two hours.I begin by thanking everyone who was involved in th...
Cathy Peattie (Falkirk East) (Lab): Lab
The minister is talking about striking a balance between children's rights and employment rights, but is she aware of the Scottish Trades Union Congress's co...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
I am happy to give Cathy Peattie that assurance and I will come on to that issue in a moment or two.We have been careful to ensure that there is no scope for...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
No one is in any doubt that we in Parliament need to do all that we can to increase the protection that we afford our children. The bill, as the minister sai...
Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
I, too, am pleased to lend my support to the bill. I congratulate the minister and her team on their success in taking the bill through Parliament; I also co...
Ian Jenkins (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD): LD
I, too, thank everyone who was involved in the bill's production, including the witnesses who spoke to the Education, Culture and Sport Committee, our clerks...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab
I welcome the bill and look forward to its becoming an act. For many of us, it has been difficult to come to terms with some of the detail of the bill, but t...
Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
It shows what a varied life the members of the Education, Culture and Sport Committee have that this morning we were all engaged in a battle of ideas and wil...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab): Lab
The bill is very much about recognising children's vulnerability and the importance of choosing the right people to work with them. We must remember that the...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD
I welcome the minister's assurance about giving support, guidance and training—or words to that effect—to the voluntary sector, which has to deal with its si...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
I will deal with the points that Donald Gorrie has just raised before commenting on the rest of the debate. I am aware that YouthLink Scotland has circulated...