Chamber
Plenary, 12 Feb 2003
12 Feb 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Education
On Saturday, The Herald contained an interesting article that reported on a study that was funded by the Economic and Social Research Council, which showed that people in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are broadly disappointed with the impact of devolution. However, that emphatically does not mean that they want to lose their legislatures, because that disillusion resulted in a demand for more, not fewer, powers. Of the Scots who were surveyed, 70 per cent wanted the Scottish Parliament to become more important than the Westminster Parliament. That is interesting in itself, but I highlight from the same study the finding that only 27 per cent of those who were surveyed thought that the Scottish Parliament was increasing educational standards. That comment does not originate from the SNP; it is what a random selection of voters in Scotland think and it sets the context for the debate.
The national debate consultation exercise allowed many concerns to be expressed. Relentless target setting, over-assessment, league tables, the examination system and the unnecessary bureaucracy that stifles learning were criticised. However, the Executive's response does nothing to address those criticisms and I have heard nothing today to change my mind about that. The response refers merely to current policy initiatives. The document is weak on substance and it is selective about the topics for action.
What the document calls a "radical" step—a reduction in the exam burden—is merely an announcement of a future review of the system. The response offers no solution to the excess targets issue. Despite concerns about a massive rise in school violence—the number of recorded incidents has risen by 700 per cent since 1999—the Executive will simply continue with existing policies and take "further action where necessary". What action, and when will it become necessary?
In the past four years, we have heard Labour make numerous vague promises on education, but the document is its vaguest and poorest response yet. It contains nothing that will convince people that it is any more than a public relations exercise at taxpayers' expense.
The minister and the Executive have claimed—it has been much mentioned today—that the starting point is to improve literacy and numeracy, but the document says that the Executive will continue to implement current strategies.
Those current strategies have led to half of the children in S2 failing to achieve minimum levels of attainment in reading, writing and mathematics. That applies in West Dunbartonshire, so although I know that Jackie Baillie is very concerned about attainment, it is difficult to understand how she can justify the Executive's policies, given the statements that I have just made.
The national debate consultation exercise allowed many concerns to be expressed. Relentless target setting, over-assessment, league tables, the examination system and the unnecessary bureaucracy that stifles learning were criticised. However, the Executive's response does nothing to address those criticisms and I have heard nothing today to change my mind about that. The response refers merely to current policy initiatives. The document is weak on substance and it is selective about the topics for action.
What the document calls a "radical" step—a reduction in the exam burden—is merely an announcement of a future review of the system. The response offers no solution to the excess targets issue. Despite concerns about a massive rise in school violence—the number of recorded incidents has risen by 700 per cent since 1999—the Executive will simply continue with existing policies and take "further action where necessary". What action, and when will it become necessary?
In the past four years, we have heard Labour make numerous vague promises on education, but the document is its vaguest and poorest response yet. It contains nothing that will convince people that it is any more than a public relations exercise at taxpayers' expense.
The minister and the Executive have claimed—it has been much mentioned today—that the starting point is to improve literacy and numeracy, but the document says that the Executive will continue to implement current strategies.
Those current strategies have led to half of the children in S2 failing to achieve minimum levels of attainment in reading, writing and mathematics. That applies in West Dunbartonshire, so although I know that Jackie Baillie is very concerned about attainment, it is difficult to understand how she can justify the Executive's policies, given the statements that I have just made.
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The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel):
NPA
The first debate this morning is on motion S1M-3879, in the name of Michael Russell, on education. I invite all those who want to take part in the debate to ...
Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Two weeks ago in the chamber, the Minister for Education and Young People launched a glossy document called "Educating for Excellence: Choice and Opportunity...
Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Michael Russell:
SNP
No—I have only just started. I will give way shortly.On the key requirements, there is an obvious mismatch between what people want and the Executive's respo...
Dr Jackson:
Lab
Has the member visited Balfron High School? Many characteristics that he said were not appearing in new schools have appeared there.
Michael Russell:
SNP
I am sure that some buildings are better than others and that, if the member believes that Balfron High School is among the best of those buildings, she will...
Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
Will Michael Russell give way?
Michael Russell:
SNP
No thank you.It is impossible to have a modern and vibrant economy and a successful Scotland without an emphasis on core skills. We build on those core skill...
Mr Monteith:
Con
Michael Russell talks about core skills. Will he define what he means by telling the chamber what subjects will be dropped to establish core skills? Will mus...
Michael Russell:
SNP
That shows about as much understanding of the process of simplifying the five-to-14 curriculum as does Mr Monteith's amendment, which I find baffling.It is n...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Michael Russell:
SNP
No.People are being deceived in Scotland. It is time that we had honest politics that shows that it will deliver. The SNP is pledged to deliver real excellen...
The Deputy Minister for Education and Young People (Nicol Stephen):
LD
I welcome the opportunity for the Parliament to consider again the key issues that face education in Scotland. Cathy Jamieson presented the Executive respons...
Michael Russell:
SNP
The minister is aware of the proposals that I mentioned—my colleagues will talk about specific proposals. Could he tell me the time scale for the reductions ...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
Not yet, because we will establish that in consultation with parents, pupils and education authorities throughout Scotland. That is the right approach. It is...
Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP):
SNP
Will the minister give way?
Nicol Stephen:
LD
No thank you.We are particularly keen to reduce class sizes in maths and English as part of our overall strategy to improve literacy and numeracy. Mike Russe...
Dr Sylvia Jackson:
Lab
Given that it will be difficult to take the league tables out of the public domain, is the minister considering a value-added approach, whereby the improveme...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
The approach taken through the national priorities is intended to achieve exactly that—a far more rounded picture that takes into account not only exam resul...
Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
Unlike the SNP, I will not concentrate on the coalition Government's response to its great debate. Why should I? The document is worthy and full of good inte...
Margaret Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Lab):
Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Is it in the interests of the Parliament to discuss someone who is a vegan and to make such appalling comments?
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I do not think that it is insulting to describe someone as a vegan if they are one.
Margaret Jamieson:
Lab
My point is about the relevancy of that issue to the debate.
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
If I were to rule on relevancy, that would be a full-time job.
Mr Monteith:
Con
I assure members that I did not mean the word "vegan" as a term of abuse; I was simply drawing to members' attention the metaphor that the minister may be fo...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP) rose—
SNP
Mr Monteith:
Con
I will take an intervention.
Michael Russell:
SNP
Mr Monteith anticipates my every move.There is no intention to abolish placing requests, which I support. In those circumstances, I find Mr Monteith's argume...
Mr Monteith:
Con
I will move on and give a few examples so that Michael Russell understands why his policy is a deceit. As I said, the policy is predicated on falling school ...
Stewart Stevenson:
SNP
Will the member give way?