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Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
26 Mar 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
Anyone who needs to be convinced of the varied nature of the legislation that the Parliament is passing could do worse than look at our business programme for this afternoon. In the space of an hour or two, we have considered the Council of the Law Society of Scotland Bill, th...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
25 Mar 2003
Sport 21
There is little to add so I will continue to play the role of the committee member who speaks the least. I express my appreciation of the opportunity to serve on the committee and thank members for allowing me to be one of the two members who worked with the non-Executive bill...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
25 Mar 2003
Sport 21
I agree that a lot of useful work has been done in the past four years. It has been useful to identify the issues and to make appropriate links across portfolio areas in a way that perhaps had not been done before. Sport has been linked with health, social inclusion and educat...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
20 Mar 2003
Question Time · School Buildings
Does the minister agree that children in Roman Catholic schools also deserve to receive their education in new and refurbished premises? If so, why has the Scottish Executive reneged on assurances of additional funding for a new Roman Catholic school in Dundee via the PPP allo...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
11 Mar 2003
Subordinate Legislation
That explains my hesitation at the beginning, convener—you had not yet introduced the people whom I was going to address.
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
11 Mar 2003
Subordinate Legislation
I have concerns about nursery teachers. We support integrated working, with social work and education working more closely together. I accept that the regulations do not compel local authorities to remove teachers from pre-school settings, but there is a feeling that that migh...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
06 Mar 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is with pleasure that I speak in support of Michael Russell's Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill.The Gaelic language is in an extremely precarious position. That fact was confirmed—although we did not need it to be—by the recent census figures. The policy memorandum for the bi...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
05 Mar 2003
Food Supplements<br />(European Directive)
That is without doubt the case.Alex Fergusson mentioned some illnesses for which relief or a cure has been provided. Children's behavioural difficulties are another relevant condition. For some children, the simple addition of omega 3 and omega 6 fish oils into the diet has me...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
05 Mar 2003
Food Supplements<br />(European Directive)
It has been said that the legislation is all about consumer safety, but members who have spoken in the debate do not seem to accept that.There is no evidence that the vitamins and minerals covered by the directive, or the doses at which they are taken, are harmful. To follow u...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
I am in my final seconds. We recognise that if social workers and teachers work together, they will deliver a better outcome for children. There is an implication in some of the Executive's statements that, somehow, local authorities are wilfully not complying, but I have no d...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
I am pleased to know that the minister will continue to meet foster carers, but I know some foster carers who were insulted to receive, as their share of the £10 million, a little pack with pencils and colouring paper. There was wide variation in how the money was used. Some o...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
Absolutely. I have no difficulty with that. However, it remains the case that social workers are generally the lead workers in any group of workers who support looked-after children. I remind members that local authorities reported to us last year vacancy rates of 50 per cent ...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
The £10 million was specifically about providing materials and resources to help with homework; it was not specifically about helping children to receive full-time education or to have a care plan that addresses their educational needs. There were entirely separate announcemen...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
I would like to move on a little bit.The minister made it fairly clear in her contribution that she places at least some responsibility for the situation on local authorities. Last year, local authorities were offered no new resources to implement the plans.
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
But one year later, are they satisfactory? We must focus on the problem. We heard almost the same thing a year ago—we discussed the same issues and the same problems that looked-after children face. Why do we need to hear the minister restating plans with add-on bits and new i...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
To the best of my knowledge, they have not improved.Most 16 and 17-year-old care leavers have experience of truancy and exclusion. Less than 1 per cent of them go to university.
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
As the minister reminded the chamber, it was more than a year ago that she made a statement to Parliament announcing plans and setting out the minimal requirement that all looked-after children should receive full-time education and have a care plan that addresses their educat...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
25 Feb 2003
Current Petitions
I was not involved in the discussions on PE463, but it is stated that 15,000 owners, occupiers and others were consulted and that fewer than 1 per cent lodged an objection. It could well be that the people felt that they were making their views known when they were consulted a...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
25 Feb 2003
New Petitions
So you never reach the point at which you have everything in place to—
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
25 Feb 2003
New Petitions
The point that I am trying to make is that you currently have the capacity to refer such matters to the Scottish ministers to make a compulsory order. Have you ever tried to get them to make such an order?
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
25 Feb 2003
New Petitions
That gives me a nice lead-in for my question. What has been your experience of trying to get the Scotland Office to act by using its existing power? Does the problem go wider than Councillor Logue's community? Do other local authorities have similar difficulties when trying to...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
25 Feb 2003
New Petitions
I am glad that Alasdair Morrison is here because I have a question for him. He used two specific words in the letters he wrote to the committee and he repeated them in the submission that he has just made. He said that he anticipates that a decision will be made "shortly" and ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
25 Feb 2003
New Petitions
I whole-heartedly endorse the suggestion that, in view of the recent announcement, we raise the issue of funding with the Scottish Executive. As I understand it, the issues that the committee has raised with the Executive on the previous petitions have centred more on the adeq...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
20 Feb 2003
Arbroath CAFE Project
I add my congratulations to those that have been offered to Andrew Welsh and to the young people of the CAFE project—not only for the work that they do, but because they are probably unique in having two motions relating to them lodged in the Scottish Parliament in the space o...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
20 Feb 2003
Question Time · Executive Agencies and Non-departmental Public Bodies (Relocation)
Does the minister accept the fact that, as yet, the relocation programme has not made a significant impact in ensuring that more of Scotland's communities share in the economic and social benefits? Glasgow has almost 20 civil service jobs per thousand and Edinburgh has 28 per ...
7. Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
20 Feb 2003
Question Time · Executive Agencies and Non-departmental Public Bodies (Relocation)
To ask the Scottish Executive what factors will be taken into account in forthcoming decisions on the relocation of staff and offices of executive agencies and non-departmental public bodies. (S1O-6460)
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
20 Feb 2003
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill
I will confine my remarks to the physical punishment of children. The bill is a step in the right direction, but it is a small step. As Richard Simpson suggested, it pales into insignificance in comparison to the actions that are being taken by an increasing number of countrie...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
18 Feb 2003
Petition
I agree with the suggestion that has been made. It was never the petitioner's intention that there should be legislation. He recognised that guidance and rules were all that was needed to bring us into line with almost every other country in the world where such simple guidanc...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2003
Young People in Sport
I congratulate Tom McCabe on bringing forward the matter for debate. I was unfamiliar with Hamilton International Sports Trust, but I have enjoyed hearing about its work and achievements. I commend the trust for its efforts.My comments on young people in sport will be more gen...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2003
Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill
No one is in any doubt that we in Parliament need to do all that we can to increase the protection that we afford our children. The bill, as the minister said, is another tool to assist us in that, but it certainly comes none too soon; Lord Cullen's inquiry following the Dunbl...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2003
Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am not rising to speak against amendment 1. In fact, the SNP will not oppose any of the amendments that have been lodged at stage 3.The stage 2 amendment to which the minister referred would have extended the duty to make a referral beyond registered child care agencies to a...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2003
Education
I am closing.We want new and refurbished schools—we take issue simply with the funding method. All the figures and our costings have been and will continue to be disputed, but the question is: can we afford not to offer our children the best possible education? The SNP will de...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2003
Education
No, thank you.The document says nothing about the concern over the long-term decline in modern language learning, although such learning is one of the greatest tools for improving literacy. The number of entrants to French exams has decreased by 50 per cent in 20 years and the...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2003
Education
One of the Executive's social justice milestones was an increase in attainment levels in basic core skills, but statistics reveal that more and more pupils are not meeting the minimum levels as they progress through school.
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2003
Education
On Saturday, The Herald contained an interesting article that reported on a study that was funded by the Economic and Social Research Council, which showed that people in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are broadly disappointed with the impact of devolution. However, that...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
11 Feb 2003
Children's Commissioners (Seminar)
It is highly appropriate that someone from the Scottish Parliament should go to talk about our commissioner.
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
06 Feb 2003
Organic Farming Targets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We must ensure that support for our farmers is at the very least equivalent to the support offered elsewhere.Another factor to take into account is the on-going concern about the safety of food and its nutritional value. Fruit and vegetables are good for us and part of the hea...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
06 Feb 2003
Organic Farming Targets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My personal enthusiasm for organic food and farming goes back a long way; my support for the bill today is not tokenistic. I have been a consistent advocate within the SNP for organic farming, I was an original member of Robin Harper's steering group and, not least, I am a con...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I do not think that the commissioner needs a power of access. In the majority of cases, the commissioner would want to negotiate amicably with whomever, or with whatever agency, was under investigation. When there is sufficient concern to justify using such a power, others in ...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will underline that point. The bill is clear that an appointment—whether a first or a second appointment—is fully covered by section 2. Nomination by the Parliament is required and the appointments need not be consecutive—that is, a first appointment may have occurred five y...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
That is right, but as it is not that kind of amendment, I cannot accept it.On amendment 9, Karen Gillon has comprehensively outlined the view that was taken by those of us who were involved in drawing up the bill. We feel that there are sufficient elements within the bill to a...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will speak in favour of the view that Karen Gillon has expressed.Amendment 8 is ambiguous and imprecise. I would accept amendment 8 if it were a genuine Martini amendment—
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
29 Jan 2003
“Educating for Excellence”
The emphasis in the statement was on choice and opportunity. Surely the flexibility that the minister seeks will not become a reality unless the system is relieved of the burden of certain initiatives, guidelines and targets. I am not clear about how that is to be achieved. In...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
28 Jan 2003
Convener
I nominate Kay Ullrich.
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
21 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sure that you are very heartened that, from the evidence that the committee has received, there is overwhelming support for a bill. However, some shortcomings have been identified also. From all that you have heard, what changes to the bill do you feel are necessary or po...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
21 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That would be quite similar to the Meek report recommendations.
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
21 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You said that you expect the Gaelic board to produce a language plan for Gaelic. Would not legislative support assist the board in helping Gaelic to survive? Would such support be useful for its work?
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
21 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The evidence shows that the number of Gaelic speakers is not rising fast enough to save the language, and that the kind of means of voluntary enabling that you describe have not, to date, been sufficiently effective to secure the language. I use the word "secure" in its normal...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
21 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I would like to expand on what Jackie Baillie said about the gap between what the Executive feels and what the bill proposes. Your written evidence is clear that the Government's commitments include working towards secure status for Gaelic. Will you say clearly for the Officia...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
15 Jan 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I begin by conveying apologies from Michael Russell, who is, unfortunately, unwell this afternoon. On a happier note, I congratulate Karen Gillon on her comprehensive introduction to the debate. Not a lot more needs to be said, although perhaps we are still required to say som...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
14 Jan 2003
McCrone Agreement
My views are similar to those of other members. I understand that the Auditor General for Scotland has an investigation of McCrone as part of his work programme for the coming year. We ought to take that into consideration when we decide how best to tackle the issue.
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
09 Jan 2003
Child Protection Review
From the outset, I say that we welcome the review and its recommendations. It can only be good that the issue is being debated and addressed at a national level.However, we have to ensure that this opportunity to tackle the problems in child protection brings about real and la...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
07 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Do you accept that, without some form of legislation that is backed up by enforcement, the end result will be that the language will die?
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
07 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will quote a little from the written evidence of Mr Dunbar, from whom we will hear later. He says:"The lesson from virtually any other jurisdiction which is serious about protecting minority languages is that both ‘compulsion' and enforcement are absolutely essential."I thin...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
07 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good as the charter is, does Highland Council still feel that the bill is necessary as well?
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
07 Jan 2003
Gaelic Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages was ratified in respect of Gaelic and I presume that that is impacting on the promotion and preservation of Gaelic. How does it fall short of achieving everything that Highland Council wants and why is the bill also neces...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
17 Dec 2002
Human Rights Conference
I have not looked at my commitments for that day. I will check and come back to the committee on that.
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
12 Dec 2002
Children and Young People (Services)
I welcome the member's comments about the reality of social workers' jobs. Does he associate himself with the First Minister's remarks, when he blamed"professional defensiveness, professional jealousies and barriers between different agencies"for the system's failings?
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
12 Dec 2002
Children and Young People (Services)
I accept all of what the minister said about the number of people on courses increasing and the number of social workers increasing, but why then did 17 of the 18 local authorities that responded to us this week say that the situation is still getting worse?
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
12 Dec 2002
Children and Young People (Services)
Robert Brown should be aware that redefining poverty does not make the least bit of difference. All those children are in poverty in Scotland today and little has been done to alleviate the situation. It seemed appropriate to focus on youth justice and child protection in the ...
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Plenary, 06 Feb 2003

06 Feb 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Organic Farming Targets (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is with great pleasure that I invite the Parliament to approve the general principles of the Organic Farming Targets (Scotland) Bill. This small but beautiful bill could make a considerable contribution to organic farming in Scotland and to a healthy future for our economy and environment. It would create many jobs, produce healthy food, reduce pesticide input, restore soil fertility and encourage an abundance of wildlife.

When I first lodged a proposal for a bill in February 2000—more than three years ago—I was enormously encouraged by the cross-party response. Thirty-eight members signed up, and had it not been for the cut-off time of a month, it might have gathered even more signatures. Certainly, it was the most-subscribed-to proposal for a member's bill in the Parliament until the high hedges outgrew us, so to speak.

I wish to express my gratitude to all those who had an input to the bill. I thank the Rural Development Committee, its clerks and its convener Alex Fergusson for the constructive way in which they addressed stage 1. The committee took evidence from a wide range of interests; not all were supportive, although I hasten to add that the great majority were. I also thank the dozen witnesses who gave evidence in person and the 33 people and organisations that submitted written evidence. Thanks are also due to the Transport and the Environment Committee and, most important, to the non-Executive bills unit, particularly David Cullum and Rodger Evans, who assisted greatly.

The impetus for the bill derived from a packed meeting, which took place in the committee chambers over three years ago, with more than 70 stakeholders from conventional and organic farming interests throughout Scotland. The steering group for the bill subsequently assembled and then undertook an extensive written public consultation in early 2001. The proposal was modified as a result of that consultation.

The bill, which was finally introduced on 30 September 2002, is short and straightforward. According to its long title—the word "long" is a misnomer in this case—the bill requires the Scottish ministers to set organic farming targets, to produce a plan for achieving those targets and to report annually to the Scottish Parliament on progress.

I will give members a flavour of the range of support for the bill outside the Parliament. Those who consider the bill a good thing include the Scottish Wildlife Trust, Asda, the Transport and General Workers Union Scotland, the Scottish Agricultural College, the Socialist Environment and Resources Association Scotland, Sainsbury's, Friends of the Earth Scotland, Unison, the Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Soil Association, RSPB Scotland, the Co-operative Group and the Crofters Commission. A further 71 organisations and, as I am sure that members know from their in-trays and inboxes, hundreds of individuals support the bill. Perhaps I could add Mr McConnell to that list, as I understand from no less an authority than the august Sunday Herald that our First Minister is an enthusiast for all things organic.

Paragraph 34 of the Rural Development Committee's stage 1 report on the bill quotes a written submission from the Highlands and Islands Organic Association that nicely captures the ethos of organic farming and the essence of my bill. The quotation might also provide a sense that my bill is not merely about targets and action plans—it is much more than that. The submission said:

"Organic food production is not just about less chemicals and more manure, it is about a new relationship between farmers, working with consumers and other local organisations to put the ‘culture' back into agriculture. Statutory targets are the important headline that will make this happen, and farmers are the people who will make it work."

I suggest that public debate has moved on since the 1980s and 1990s and that the question whether organic farming is desirable has been replaced by the question of how organic production can be increased sustainably. My bill seeks to address that.

I welcome the Rural Development Committee's statement that its members want a vigorous organic sector that is supported fairly. I welcome the committee's conviction that targets should be set for increasing organic production and that those targets should form part of an action plan, which must be produced to stimulate an increase.

However, I was a little disappointed by the committee's scepticism about including targets in the bill. I will elaborate on my approach and why I took it. The principle of setting targets is important because it provides a tangible, quantifiable and useful approach. To put it simply, targets are things to aim for. The target is our destination; the action plan is the means of getting there—the map. It would not be sensible to have one without the other.

Wales has set a 10 per cent target for 2005. England has set an organic import substitution target for 2010. Targets have also been set in Europe. Countries such as Sweden and Denmark deploy targets in a legislative framework. The use of targets in UK legislation is not new. I refer members to statutes on school standards, national policing, utilities and local government and I even refer them to one of my favourite statutes—the Environment Act 1995. All those statutes use targets.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh): Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S1M-3856, in the name of Robin Harper, on the general principles of the Organic Farming Targets (Scotland) Bi...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green): Green
It is with great pleasure that I invite the Parliament to approve the general principles of the Organic Farming Targets (Scotland) Bill. This small but beaut...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab
I recognise Robin Harper's work and I am genuinely listening to him. He knows that I have supported what he is doing. It would help if he explained how statu...
Robin Harper: Green
My speech will cover that.The nature and size of the targets in the bill troubled the Rural Development Committee. I told the committee that I would be prepa...
Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
All of us have seen the courteous letters that were exchanged between Robin Harper and the Minister for Environment and Rural Development. I have difficulty ...
Robin Harper: Green
Mike Russell virtually took the words out of my mouth. He evinced the same concerns as I have and enunciated the way forward that the Executive could have ac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
You are over time.
Robin Harper: Green
I am pleased that, two days ago, the Executive published the "Organic Action Plan" with targets. The uncharitable might view that as an attempt to head off t...
The Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Ross Finnie): LD
I welcome the debate on how best to support sustainable development in the Scottish organic sector. I make it clear that the Executive does not regard the su...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab
I accept the point that the minister makes, but will he accept that another important argument is about affordability? Does he accept that the Executive will...
Ross Finnie: LD
With all due respect, I am not arguing against that. I wholly support that view. I merely said that it is wrong to suggest that the Executive can set some so...
Michael Russell: SNP
I want to raise a point with the minister that I raised in my intervention on Robin Harper. It is very difficult for private members to introduce bills. Desp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
Mr Russell, your question was rather long-winded.
Ross Finnie: LD
I think that I got the essential point. The fundamental issue is that the Executive works with stakeholders to produce all sorts of plans. Our agricultural s...
Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
First, I congratulate Robin Harper on producing a bill that has already had a considerable impact on the Executive's approach to the organic farming sector, ...
Robin Harper: Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Bruce Crawford: SNP
I will do so, but I first want to say something to qualify what I have just said. It would be preferable for targets to be introduced through, for example, a...
Robin Harper: Green
Does the member accept that the SOPA representative later conceded that he was speaking for himself rather than for SOPA when he said what the member quoted?
Bruce Crawford: SNP
That is true—I accept that entirely. I do not think that we should not have targets or that there cannot be targets, but the issue is how to achieve them and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
Please close, Mr Crawford.
Bruce Crawford: SNP
I will be brief. In Aberdeen, the First Minister told us that, where it was possible and achievable, he would discuss with members introducing members' bills...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
I am afraid that there is no scope for members to overrun their time limits in the way that Bruce Crawford has done. Members should stick closely to the time...
Alex Fergusson (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
I will preface my speech as the rural affairs spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives with some sentences as convener of the Rural Development Committee. Fi...
Robin Harper: Green
Does the member accept that conventional farming is not market led and that it exists on subsidies? Why should organic farming not receive similar support?
Alex Fergusson: Con
I will come to that matter. Mr Harper is well aware that there is a separate organic aid scheme.The evidence that the past chairman of SOPA gave us and lette...
Mr Alasdair Morrison (Western Isles) (Lab): Lab
We are not debating the merits of organic farming; we are debating the general principles of a bill in Robin Harper's name. I intimate that I will not suppor...
Bruce Crawford: SNP
Does Alasdair Morrison agree that the action plan does not bring us entirely into line with England and Wales, because in Wales targets have been set for org...
Mr Morrison: Lab
I find it perplexing that the targets within a bill entitled the Organic Farming Targets (Scotland) Bill would not be statutory or binding, as Robin Harper s...
Robin Harper rose— Green
Mr Morrison: Lab
I would like Mr Harper to let me continue. We should consider where the considerable amount of money that is spent supporting farming is deployed. Could that...