Chamber
Plenary, 25 Apr 2002
25 Apr 2002 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Primary Health Care
Mike Rumbles could not behave if he tried, but we have got used to that.
The Highlands did well out of the Arbuthnott formula, which provided additional funding to reduce inequalities in, and increase access to, health care. However, the opposite of that has happened. Many communities rightly fear the loss of their local doctor. I appreciate what the minister said about physiotherapists, ambulance teams, podiatrists and district nurses but, at the moment, Highland communities cannot see that any acceptable substitute is in place. People see that they are losing their contact with the NHS and that nothing else appropriate is being put in its place. It is not surprising that people will be canvassing the Health and Community Care Committee when it visits Inverness next week.
It is not surprising that people are worried. Waiting lists are up by 10,000 since 1999. Waiting times are up. There is a record number of blocked beds. Those things are not the responsibility of GPs but, as GPs have the only open door in the NHS, they usually find that they are the focus of people's anger and frustration. Less than 7 per cent of health spend goes to GP services. Despite the fact that 90 per cent of patient contact with the NHS occurs at the GP surgery, over the past five years the number of consultant posts has increased by 19 per cent while the number of GP posts has increased by 3 per cent.
The absence of primary care commissioning in Scotland needs to be addressed. Fundholding is needed to support local decision making and to ensure more empowerment, so that the NHS is more responsive to patients' needs.
I realise that my time is almost up, but I am pleased that Labour has reversed some of its dogma. I am pleased that it has gone back to some basic Tory principles. The Executive has not quite got there yet, but I welcome the U-turn. How will the Executive reverse the damage that has been done in the past five years?
Let me use my last few seconds to talk about primary care teams. A few weekends ago, I went out with the police in Inverness. During the evening, there was a problem at accident and emergency, when the staff could not cope with a patient. The police were called and the suicidal patient was locked in the cells. The police phoned the primary care mental health team but got no co-operation, despite there having been an attempted suicide a couple of days earlier. I was shocked that the police had to charge an attempted suicide victim with breach of the peace in order to keep the person in the cells. There was no hope of a call-out from a GP to treat a prisoner in the police cells.
Any new initiative must include not only the primary care team but the voluntary sector and the police, who often become the dumping ground for many of the NHS's problems.
I move amendment S1M-3022.3, to leave out from "applauds" to end and insert:
"notes that in order to improve primary care local health care co-operatives should be free to purchase care from the most appropriate provider, be it public, private or voluntary, and the incentives gained by the purchasing of such services should be used to underpin patient choice; further urges the Scottish Executive to continue to use private providers where they can supplement the capacity of the NHS and provide value for money, and asks the Scottish Executive to make available to patients information on alternative providers and on waiting lists and times to allow patients to exercise real choice."
The Highlands did well out of the Arbuthnott formula, which provided additional funding to reduce inequalities in, and increase access to, health care. However, the opposite of that has happened. Many communities rightly fear the loss of their local doctor. I appreciate what the minister said about physiotherapists, ambulance teams, podiatrists and district nurses but, at the moment, Highland communities cannot see that any acceptable substitute is in place. People see that they are losing their contact with the NHS and that nothing else appropriate is being put in its place. It is not surprising that people will be canvassing the Health and Community Care Committee when it visits Inverness next week.
It is not surprising that people are worried. Waiting lists are up by 10,000 since 1999. Waiting times are up. There is a record number of blocked beds. Those things are not the responsibility of GPs but, as GPs have the only open door in the NHS, they usually find that they are the focus of people's anger and frustration. Less than 7 per cent of health spend goes to GP services. Despite the fact that 90 per cent of patient contact with the NHS occurs at the GP surgery, over the past five years the number of consultant posts has increased by 19 per cent while the number of GP posts has increased by 3 per cent.
The absence of primary care commissioning in Scotland needs to be addressed. Fundholding is needed to support local decision making and to ensure more empowerment, so that the NHS is more responsive to patients' needs.
I realise that my time is almost up, but I am pleased that Labour has reversed some of its dogma. I am pleased that it has gone back to some basic Tory principles. The Executive has not quite got there yet, but I welcome the U-turn. How will the Executive reverse the damage that has been done in the past five years?
Let me use my last few seconds to talk about primary care teams. A few weekends ago, I went out with the police in Inverness. During the evening, there was a problem at accident and emergency, when the staff could not cope with a patient. The police were called and the suicidal patient was locked in the cells. The police phoned the primary care mental health team but got no co-operation, despite there having been an attempted suicide a couple of days earlier. I was shocked that the police had to charge an attempted suicide victim with breach of the peace in order to keep the person in the cells. There was no hope of a call-out from a GP to treat a prisoner in the police cells.
Any new initiative must include not only the primary care team but the voluntary sector and the police, who often become the dumping ground for many of the NHS's problems.
I move amendment S1M-3022.3, to leave out from "applauds" to end and insert:
"notes that in order to improve primary care local health care co-operatives should be free to purchase care from the most appropriate provider, be it public, private or voluntary, and the incentives gained by the purchasing of such services should be used to underpin patient choice; further urges the Scottish Executive to continue to use private providers where they can supplement the capacity of the NHS and provide value for money, and asks the Scottish Executive to make available to patients information on alternative providers and on waiting lists and times to allow patients to exercise real choice."
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
SNP
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion S1M-3022, in the name of Malcolm Chisholm, on modernising primary health care in the national ...
The Minister for Health and Community Care (Malcolm Chisholm):
Lab
Our agenda of investment and reform is a collaborative venture that involves patients and front-line staff wherever they are based. Our focus is the patient ...
Ben Wallace (North-East Scotland) (Con):
Con
I am grateful for the minister's comments on our amendment. He will know that the amendment uses the words of Alan Milburn, not those of the Scottish Conserv...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I do not know what Iain Duncan Smith or Liam Fox would think about it, but time and again the Conservatives talk to me about Alan Milburn. They often misrepr...
Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP):
SSP
On the time limit for an appointment with the appropriate primary care professional, where does physiotherapy fit into the Executive's plan? Constituents who...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
Tommy Sheridan has highlighted another part of the primary care reform agenda. Sometimes, people must go through too many stages before they reach the approp...
Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con) rose—
Con
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I had better keep going because time is passing at an alarming speed. Other examples include cancer care, stroke care, services for the elderly and mental he...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
The Scottish National Party is committed to developing and improving primary care. We support and endorse the report of the primary care modernisation group....
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
With respect, I think that I was clear about that issue. The GP and the patient will decide together, using the waiting times database, whether the patient s...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
The problem is that many people in the front line in primary care would disagree with that. They say that they are in practice denied that power. I will come...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I will be brief. Currently, patients and those who refer them do not have the information and that is why the database is crucial. When the information is av...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
That is how the Scottish Executive analyses the situation, but the British Medical Association analyses it differently. The BMA thinks that to give patients ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
The debate is interesting. I cannot quite make up my mind whether Malcolm Chisholm wants to admit that he has gone back to GP fundholding, devolved budgets a...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
This is the first time that we have had a discussion on the issue. I welcome the discussion. We must be absolutely clear that when we talk about devolving fu...
Mary Scanlon:
Con
I am pleased that the minister agrees with some of what I said.The minister said that he is passionately committed to primary care. GPs in the Highlands are ...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I am sure that Mary Scanlon does not need reminding that no new money has been allocated over and above what has already been announced, which is an increase...
Mary Scanlon:
Con
We need only look at the figures to see what is happening. The proof of the pudding will be when GPs and others stop walking away from the health minister. W...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Order. I will not allow the private dialogues that are taking place behind the member who is making her speech.
Mary Scanlon:
Con
Mike Rumbles could not behave if he tried, but we have got used to that.The Highlands did well out of the Arbuthnott formula, which provided additional fundi...
Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP):
SSP
The Minister for Health and Community Care said that his speech was a statement on the direction of travel in which the NHS is moving and the direction of th...
Mr Davidson:
Con
Is Tommy Sheridan proposing that we nationalise all the services provided by community pharmacies, dentists and everyone else? They are all private sector co...
Tommy Sheridan:
SSP
The member will be aware of my position in relation to pharmacies and the pharmaceutical industry. GlaxoSmithKline announced its profits only last week. It i...
The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Hugh Henry):
Lab
I will attempt to answer some of the questions put by Tommy Sheridan, but it would help me in trying to frame those answers if he could indicate exactly what...
Tommy Sheridan:
SSP
I am specifically proposing a number of things, to which I hope the minister will reply. One of them is that we end the moonlighting of consultants, which ha...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
Where is all the money for those plans to come from? I am still waiting for Tommy Sheridan to respond to my last intervention on him, when he promised that h...
Tommy Sheridan:
SSP
Last week, the Chancellor of the Exchequer announced a 1 per cent rise in national insurance contributions to generate £8 billion across the country. If he h...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD):
LD
I am not quite sure how to follow that. We often get fantasy politics from Tommy Sheridan; this morning we got fantasy pharmaceuticals. The idea that the cou...
Tommy Sheridan rose—
SSP
Mrs Smith:
LD
Tommy has had enough of a chance. The drugs companies would come back at us for doing as Tommy suggests, and the cost of existing drugs would go through the ...