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Plenary, 28 Feb 2002

28 Feb 2002 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Education (Disability Strategies and Pupils' Records) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
McGugan, Irene SNP North East Scotland Watch on SPTV
The SNP warmly welcomes the use of primary legislation to introduce education accessibility strategies, and fully supports the bill's general principles. However, there was general agreement within and outwith the Education, Culture and Sport Committee that, in order to provide a really robust process, the bill must be strengthened in certain areas. I want to highlight a few issues that need to be addressed.

Most important, we want to know how we will ensure that the strategies increase accessibility. Under the bill, responsible bodies could take a minimalist approach, but there is no point in introducing legislation if it can be largely ignored. As the minister said, monitoring and evaluation are crucial and there is a feeling that they should not be left to supplementary guidance, but require an amendment to the bill. Such an amendment might usefully clarify the priority that HMIE will place on inspecting strategies and their implementation and its role in that process, and might also include a requirement for accessibility strategies to be sent as a matter of routine to HMIE and the Scottish Executive.

There is an equally important question about what a child, young person or parent can do if duties are not being discharged. Because the bill makes no specific provision for complaint or redress, it requires amendment that will allow families the means to pursue that course of action with some expectation of satisfaction.

During evidence-taking meetings, the question was flagged up of how children, young people and their parents will know about the strategies. I note that the minister is not minded to require responsible bodies to publish their accessibility strategies and, in fact, the bill requires local authorities only to be reactive to requests to inspect the strategies. However, evidence to the committee suggested strongly that a proactive approach to dissemination should be considered, and I acknowledge the minister's comments on that point. I would like her to consider how we might take such an approach, as it would parallel the requirements in the Standards in Scotland's Schools Act 2000 and could easily be achieved through existing requirements on local authorities to produce summary plans.

There was also an issue about how those plans would connect with other planning requirements. Incorporation of accessibility strategies with existing plans would be very much in line with joined-up government and joined-up policy and practice. I hope that the guidance will make a clear recommendation that local authorities and schools should link their accessibility strategies to their existing requirements to provide annual statements of improvement objectives and school development plans, both of which must already address equal opportunities requirements. It would also seem sensible, in the interests of integration, for those strategies to fit with children's services plans. All of that would in consequence help the monitoring and evaluation role that I highlighted.

Many local authorities expressed concerns about their role in supporting pre-school provision with partner providers, and the difficulties of meeting the costs of adapting their properties to the required standards. That was particularly the case where voluntary and private sector businesses were involved. In his oral evidence to the Education, Culture and Sport Committee, the deputy minister stated that private and voluntary sector providers of pre-school education that operate in partnership would not be required to prepare accessibility strategies because they are defined as service providers and are therefore subject to the Disability Discrimination Act 1995.

However, the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the committee were concerned that some implications of the bill might discourage local authorities from partnership with multiple small providers, and that they might in some way make it difficult for the private and voluntary sectors to continue to make provision, with the knock-on effect that there would be a lack of choice for families. That would be in no one's interests and I am sure that that is not the intention behind the bill. However, I trust that the minister's interpretation is correct and that there is no loophole that would lead to any reduction in pre-school provision—particularly on a partnership basis, which is very important—especially in rural areas.

The SNP urges support for the general principles of the bill and encourages the minister to note the concerns that were expressed by me and by others, and to note the suggestions that have been offered. That would ensure a meaningful, robust and useful addition to disability legislation, which will be of real benefit to a number of children throughout Scotland.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh): Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S1M-2563, in the name of Cathy Jamieson, on the general principles of the Education (Disability Strategies an...
The Minister for Education and Young People (Cathy Jamieson): Lab
I am glad to uphold that precedent with your permission, Presiding Officer. I would not otherwise have dared to say that I am glad to see pupils from Belmont...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
The SNP warmly welcomes the use of primary legislation to introduce education accessibility strategies, and fully supports the bill's general principles. How...
Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
On behalf of the Conservatives, I am pleased to welcome the bill. We welcome it because it aims to improve access to school education for pupils who have dis...
Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
On pupils' records, which form a minor part of the bill, there are two key issues. One issue is confidentiality, which is important, and the other issue is t...
Mr Monteith: Con
Certainly. I have no difficulty in saying that the authority in question was Fife Council. I do not want to go into more detail, because the matter is curren...
Ian Jenkins (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD): LD
The motion is easy to support. I cannot imagine that anyone would disagree with the bill's general principles, which seek to ensure that responsible authorit...
Michael Russell: SNP
Mr Jenkins made a valid point about small rural schools. Some authorities might regard those rural schools as too expensive to continue in operation if the a...
Ian Jenkins: LD
I agree.In the long term, we do ourselves no favours if we gloss over those genuine concerns because they relate to complicated and sensitive issues that rel...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab): Lab
My colleagues in the Labour party and I have long held the belief that education is the key to unlocking opportunity in later life. It is not the privilege o...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
I advise members that the prospect is that we may require to bring forward decision time and members' business today. I say that also for the benefit of busi...
Michael Matheson (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I will continue the consensus by warmly welcoming the bill. However, it is important that what the bill can achieve is kept in context.As Jackie Baillie said...
Mr Kenneth Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab): Lab
I welcome the bill. Although, considered in isolation, it addresses only one aspect of educational need, it should be seen as one plank in a raft of measures...
Kate Maclean (Dundee West) (Lab): Lab
The Equal Opportunities Committee considered the bill and contributed to the Education, Culture and Sport Committee's stage 1 report. In an open letter to th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): SNP
Before we go on to wrap-up speeches, I inform members that I anticipate that the debate will finish around 4.40 or 4.45. With the agreement of members, I wil...
Mr Frank McAveety (Glasgow Shettleston) (Lab): Lab
I am filling in for Karen Gillon at short notice, so I ask members to bear with me.Colleagues from the committee have already identified some of the key issu...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
I reiterate Brian Monteith's comment that the Scottish Conservatives welcome the bill.I will make two brief points on disability strategies, both of which re...
Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I also shall be brief. There is overwhelming unanimity in the chamber about the bill. We are now into discussions about the detail of how the bill will proce...
The Deputy Minister for Education and Young People (Nicol Stephen): LD
I would like to continue the constructive tone. I agree with Michael Russell's final remarks about the spirit in which the bill has been debated so far. We h...
Dr Winnie Ewing (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
Will the minister give way?
Nicol Stephen: LD
I shall, but let me just finish.Schools should take reasonable steps to ensure that such children can participate fully in school trips. For example, schools...
Dr Ewing: SNP
Should accessibility strategies always include deaf children who do not attend schools for the deaf?
Nicol Stephen: LD
Yes, of course. To answer Dr Ewing's question, let me say that I was pleased that contributors to the debate—especially Jackie Baillie—stressed that the bill...
Michael Russell: SNP
The minister has highlighted the link between the bill and the record of needs legislation, of which he has acknowledged that radical reform is needed. Can h...
Nicol Stephen: LD
The short answer is no. I cannot give such an indication today. Announcements on legislative proposals are made as part of the full legislative programme tha...
Irene McGugan: SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Nicol Stephen: LD
I would be happy to take one final intervention.
Irene McGugan: SNP
I very much appreciate the minister's giving way. Will he clarify what he said a moment ago about the avenues for redress that are available under different ...
Nicol Stephen: LD
That is an issue that we debate often. All of us are anxious to ensure that there is as much consistency as possible between the disability legislation and t...