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Chamber

Plenary, 21 Nov 2001

21 Nov 2001 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Sexual Offences (Procedure and Evidence) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is difficult for me to answer that question. I understand what Lord James Douglas-Hamilton is trying to say, but such cross-examination does occur in Scottish courts, albeit not for that length of time. It is true that eyebrows were raised about why the judge did not step in considerably earlier in that case. However, it happened in a court; not a court in some far-off country about which we know little, but in an English court. Clearly, that caused a great deal of distress at the time.

In Scotland, in February 1999, Jacqueline Radin was cross-examined in court by her assailant. The then Scottish Office minister with responsibility for home affairs, Henry McLeish, ordered a review. In March 1999, John Anderson made his first appearance in court. He was accused of raping three women, but he was allowed out of prison to interview the mother of one of his alleged victims. Anderson then cross-examined the other two women in court. He walked free when the case against him collapsed because of the lack of corroborating evidence. Henry McLeish again called for a report, saying that the situation was unacceptable.

In July 1999, a bill in England and Wales to end cross-examination of rape victims by the accused received royal assent but, in January 2000, the Scottish Executive warned that a Holyrood bill to prevent cross-examination of alleged rape victims could contravene the ECHR. The then Deputy Minister for Justice, Angus MacKay, told the Parliament that he would report within 90 days on the issue of rape victims, but made no commitment to change the law. In June 2000, a written answer by Angus MacKay indicated that he had instructed civil servants to find ways in which to ensure that women are not cross-examined. On 20 June, a report by civil servants conceded that the ECHR was not an insurmountable obstacle.

Eventually, we have reached the position in which we are today, but there has been an incredibly long catalogue of such milestones over many years. I say again that it is instructive that it is only now that we have a Parliament with so many women that we are confronting a problem that has faced society for a very long time. We have come this far, but I cannot help but notice that the time scale for change in Scotland seems to have been uncommonly slow.

On leading evidence in court of the sexual history and sexual character of the complainer, international examples of change have been available for much longer. Canada, New Zealand and many American and Australian states introduced safeguards in the 1970s. In 1976, safeguards were introduced for England and Wales. In 1979, Sheriff McPhail produced a report, but there was no action until 1982.

In 1985, nine years after the English bill to protect complainers in rape trials, the Scottish Law Commission's draft bill was passed by Westminster, with a few minor amendments. That legislation requires an application by the defence to introduce questioning or evidence about sexual history or the character of the complainer in certain circumstances. It also included instruction that the court must be satisfied

"that it would be contrary to the interests of justice to exclude the questioning or evidence".

Again, it took an extremely long time to bring even that limited protection into Scotland, and that last exception provided wide discretion to the judge.

There have been difficulties and failings in the application of the law. In 1992, a Scottish Office central research unit study, "Sexual History and Sexual Character Evidence in Scottish Sexual Offence Trials", was published. That study detailed serious problems. It struck me in particular that 70 per cent of all applications to question on sexual character or history were made just before cross-examination began and 22 per cent were made during cross-examination. Thus the complainer had no formal notice of the questioning in at least 92 per cent of the cases. That seems to me to be like a kind of legal sandbagging in court. No action was taken by the Government, either as the Scottish Office or as the Scottish Executive, to update the law after the publication of that study in 1992. It has taken until now to reach this stage.

Down the years, Scotland's justice system has failed victims of rape, and Governments in various guises have been exceedingly slow to respond. We must start to put that right—the bill is that start.

However, I want to sound a note of caution.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): NPA
The main business today is a stage 1 debate on motion S1M-2459, in the name of Jim Wallace, on the general principles of the Sexual Offences (Procedure and E...
The Deputy Minister for Justice (Iain Gray): Lab
This is a short but important bill, whereby the Executive fulfils a commitment to improve significantly the way victims of sexual crimes are treated in our c...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
Under bail law, someone who has been charged with rape and who decides to conduct their own defence would have limited access to the complainer. Would that c...
Iain Gray: Lab
Mr Gallie raises an interesting question, but it is perhaps not for this debate, because the bill would set such a situation right by changing the legislativ...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
Before I call the next speaker, I see at least five members in the chamber who have indicated that they would like to speak, but who have not pressed their r...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP): SNP
The Scottish National Party supports and welcomes the general intent of the bill, which is—of course—aimed at protecting the complainer and other witnesses f...
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con): Con
Does Roseanna Cunningham accept that it is extremely unlikely that a Scottish judge would ever have allowed such an outrage to occur?
Roseanna Cunningham: SNP
It is difficult for me to answer that question. I understand what Lord James Douglas-Hamilton is trying to say, but such cross-examination does occur in Scot...
Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab): Lab
Will the member give way?
Roseanna Cunningham: SNP
I am sorry, but I am in the final minute of my speech.The proposed changes will affect not just rape cases; they will cover a wide variety of offences, which...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con): Con
In due course, the Conservatives might take issue with certain aspects of the bill, but we would be the first to concede that there are real difficulties in ...
Iain Gray: Lab
Mr Aitken makes a fair point about the research being difficult. Will he accept that one construction of what he has related is that when we ask complainers ...
Bill Aitken: Con
I am happy to concede that there is a difficulty, which is the polarisation to which I referred earlier in my speech. Everybody is working with the same diff...
George Lyon (Argyll and Bute) (LD): LD
Before I begin, I welcome Baroness Michie of Gallanach to the VIP gallery. Applause.The Justice 2 Committee report states:"It is a general principle in Scots...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Patricia Ferguson): Lab
We now move to open debate. Several members want to speak, so I ask those who do to keep their contributions to four minutes.
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab
I thank committee members and the committee clerks who worked hard on the report. I also thank the Parliamentary Bureau, which allowed extra time for the com...
Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP): SNP
I join George Lyon in welcoming Baroness Michie of Gallanach to the VIP gallery. Although Ray Michie and I have been in different political parties all our l...
Mrs Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab): Lab
The bill appears to have two aims. The direct aim is to change the way in which the legal system works in relation to sexual offences. The indirect aim is to...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP): SNP
I start by thanking the convener of the Justice 2 Committee for her welcome when I joined the committee. I was not just joining her committee; I was joining ...
Members:
Sook.
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
Sit down now.
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
—so all my faults are Pauline McNeill's as well.I want to talk about the climate of fear among potential complainers—those who have been victims of rape. Bil...
George Lyon: LD
May I clarify what I said? I did not state that an amicus curiae was an alternative. I suggested that, before introducing any more measures, the minister mig...
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
I thank George Lyon for that clarification, which I am prepared to accept. I was merely making the point that he would leave the option open, whereas I would...
Mrs Lyndsay McIntosh (Central Scotland) (Con): Con
Members from across the political divide will recollect my contributions on matters of domestic abuse and abuse of women in general—in particular, rape or cl...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab): Lab
Will the member give way?
Mrs McIntosh: Con
I have only a couple of minutes left and I am sure that Johann Lamont will make a speech of her own.The cynics among us may say that we need to have more fai...
Maureen Macmillan (Highlands and Islands) (Lab): Lab
I welcome the bill and I commend the Justice 2 Committee for its report. The bill marks real progress in reforming the impact of the legal process on victims...
Mr Gil Paterson (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I have just returned from a seminar on counting the cost of violence against women, which had delegates from all over the world, so I especially welcome this...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab): Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak on the stage 1 report on the Sexual Offences (Procedure and Evidence) (Scotland) Bill. It is a matter of personal satisfac...