Chamber
Plenary, 27 Sep 2001
27 Sep 2001 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
“Value Nurses” Campaign
I too congratulate Margaret Smith on securing this debate, and on making an excellent opening speech. In no way do I want to be partisan, but I think that this is one debate the Minister for Health and Community Care should have attended, to demonstrate beyond doubt that the Executive values our nurses.
Let us go back to first principles. What are we all trying to achieve? We are trying to achieve shorter waiting times for operations, shorter waiting lists, national targets on cancer, heart disease and stroke, and a range of other objectives. We cannot do those things unless we not only value our nurses, but put our money where our mouth is. It is not enough for us to stand here and give lip service to the nurses; the Parliament must be committed to action.
A lot is said about nurses' care of patients—quite rightly—but from recent personal experience I can tell members that the care given to relatives is often as important as the care that is given to patients: the kind word, the cup of tea at 3 o'clock in the morning given to someone waiting for an elderly relative to die or the wee pat on the back for comfort. That is the role of the nurse, as well as looking after the patient. Where would our health service be without the professionalism and dedication of the nursing profession? Nurses' dedication is as important as their professionalism—the two are essential features of the profession.
Specific issues have been raised. For example, Fergus Ewing and Janis Hughes mentioned the special plight of returning nurses. I will mention one particular issue: student nurses. It is a question of numbers. If the current prospect is that about a quarter of nurses will retire in the next 10 years, if about a quarter of nurses in training do not finish their training course, if there is a further reduction in the number of nurses because more are leaving the profession than are coming into it, we will face a crisis, particularly given the fact that the average age of the population is to increase substantially over the next 10 to 15 years.
It is not just a question of having to attend to the problems of returning nurses and serving nurses; we also have to turn our attention to student nurses. In particular, as well as increasing the bursary, as the RCN is calling for, let us ensure that every nurse in training, not just some, receives a bursary.
The Parliament needs to be prepared to raise tax if that is what it takes to look after and really value our nurses. Without our nurses, there is no national health service.
Let us go back to first principles. What are we all trying to achieve? We are trying to achieve shorter waiting times for operations, shorter waiting lists, national targets on cancer, heart disease and stroke, and a range of other objectives. We cannot do those things unless we not only value our nurses, but put our money where our mouth is. It is not enough for us to stand here and give lip service to the nurses; the Parliament must be committed to action.
A lot is said about nurses' care of patients—quite rightly—but from recent personal experience I can tell members that the care given to relatives is often as important as the care that is given to patients: the kind word, the cup of tea at 3 o'clock in the morning given to someone waiting for an elderly relative to die or the wee pat on the back for comfort. That is the role of the nurse, as well as looking after the patient. Where would our health service be without the professionalism and dedication of the nursing profession? Nurses' dedication is as important as their professionalism—the two are essential features of the profession.
Specific issues have been raised. For example, Fergus Ewing and Janis Hughes mentioned the special plight of returning nurses. I will mention one particular issue: student nurses. It is a question of numbers. If the current prospect is that about a quarter of nurses will retire in the next 10 years, if about a quarter of nurses in training do not finish their training course, if there is a further reduction in the number of nurses because more are leaving the profession than are coming into it, we will face a crisis, particularly given the fact that the average age of the population is to increase substantially over the next 10 to 15 years.
It is not just a question of having to attend to the problems of returning nurses and serving nurses; we also have to turn our attention to student nurses. In particular, as well as increasing the bursary, as the RCN is calling for, let us ensure that every nurse in training, not just some, receives a bursary.
The Parliament needs to be prepared to raise tax if that is what it takes to look after and really value our nurses. Without our nurses, there is no national health service.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel):
NPA
The final item of business is a members' business debate on motion S1M-2054, in the name of Margaret Smith, on the Royal College of Nursing Scotland's value ...
Motion debated,
That the Parliament supports the Royal College of Nursing Scotland's "Value Nurses" campaign, which highlights the crucial role that nurses play in deliverin...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD):
LD
I am delighted and honoured to sponsor a motion to value and recognise the wide range of work done by Scotland's nurses and to support the RCN's value nurses...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
SNP
I will not be able to call everyone, even with speeches of three minutes, so I am prepared to entertain a motion without notice to extend the debate by 10 mi...
Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP):
SNP
May I move a motion to extend the business?
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Yes.
Motion moved,
That the meeting be extended by 10 minutes.—Mrs Margaret Ewing.
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
The question is, that the motion be agreed to.
Motion agreed to.
Janis Hughes (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab):
Lab
I must declare an interest—I am a member of Unison. As the only nurse in the Scottish Parliament, I feel qualified to contribute to the debate. Margaret Smit...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP):
SNP
I congratulate Margaret Smith on securing the debate and Janis Hughes on her contribution to it. I am sure that there will not be a great deal of controversy...
Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
I congratulate Margaret Smith on securing the debate, which I welcome. Well motivated, happy nurses are key members of our Scottish health team. Two weeks ag...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab):
Lab
I hesitate to introduce a partisan element to the debate, but Mr McGrigor has prompted me to do so. I take it that, at some point in this year zero speech, h...
Mr McGrigor:
Con
I regret to say that the Conservative health spokesperson is currently recovering from a very bad car crash, and I am sorry that she is not here today. I do ...
Nora Radcliffe (Gordon) (LD):
LD
In this brief speech, I will use my experience of the health service over the past few months to highlight two things we should do if we value our nurses.Fir...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I too congratulate Margaret Smith on securing this debate, and on making an excellent opening speech. In no way do I want to be partisan, but I think that th...
Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP):
SSP
I endorse what Alex Neil said and I thank Margaret Smith for securing the debate and for the quality of her speech. Nurses are undoubtedly the Henrik Larsson...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome the nurses, who come from a virtually all-female profession, to the Scottish Parliament. It is worth noting that the vast majority of nurses, midwi...
Shona Robison (North-East Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I will be brief, to allow other members an opportunity to speak. I thank Margaret Smith for securing this important debate.As part of the RCN's value nurses ...
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con):
Con
I congratulate Margaret Smith on raising this extremely important debate. We should all be grateful to Scotland's nurses for what they have done over countle...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
I call Jamie Stone, to be followed by a 60-second speech from Kenny Gibson.
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
I also congratulate Margaret Smith on securing this debate. On behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I welcome our friends in the public gallery. Although the tur...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
We only have time for the briefest of contributions from Kenny Gibson.
Mr Kenneth Gibson (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
I thank the Presiding Officer for accepting my plea. I do not consider nursing to be a female profession but a caring profession. Although there are many thi...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
I congratulate Margaret Smith on securing today's welcome debate. I also add my support to the RCN's value nurses campaign. The minister and I are joining th...
The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Malcolm Chisholm):
Lab
I begin by congratulating Margaret Smith on securing the debate and by welcoming nurses to the public gallery. I applaud the enormous contribution that they ...
Mrs Ewing:
SNP
I have heard many of those comments before, sometimes in the House of Commons where I served as an RCN panel member. Will the minister give one concrete exam...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I made an announcement in the summer in response to one of those demands and I have stated clearly that the other demands—some of which I have yet to deal wi...