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Plenary, 27 Jun 2001

27 Jun 2001 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Serious Violent and Sexual Offenders
The SNP welcomes these progressive proposals. We all hope that, once they are fleshed out, they will facilitate a balance between the release of those who have been convicted of serious violent and sexual offences—when they have served their time to a measure—and the absolute necessity of protecting the public within the framework of the requirements of the ECHR. I agree completely with Roseanna Cunningham that the test of whether something is ECHR-compliant comes when a case is raised, as it is case-based legislation. Article 5 of the ECHR, on the right to liberty and scrutiny, will undoubtedly be cited, as will article 11, on the freedom of assembly and association. Those are not absolute, but are designed to protect the public and their rights.

In 2000, there were 6,963 convictions for serious assault and 1,822 convictions for sexual assault. It is interesting to note that 89 per cent of those who had an index conviction for violence in 1995 were male, and that 34 per cent of them had a previous conviction for violence. The more violent convictions they had had, the more violent they were likely to become. We are using the proposals not only as a monitoring measure but as a protective and preventive measure.

There will be cost implications for the risk management authority, and it is made clear in recommendation 6 of the white paper that the risk management authority will have an operating budget. Gordon Jackson raised concerns about the pressures on the criminal justice budget due to existing issues, such as slopping out and the reduction in the number of women who are sent to prison. It is clear that there are competing priorities. Perhaps it is too early to know, but can the minister tell us what the resource implications might be for the operation of the risk management authority?

Recommendation 21 states that a risk assessment order would authorise

"the detention of the accused for up to 90 days, or up to 180 days on cause shown".

That will have resource implications, as there are time limits. Perhaps, again, it is too early to know, but will those time limits be absolute and what will the resource implications be? Have they been costed?

As many members, including Kay Ullrich and Donald Gorrie, have said, the test will be the quality of the risk assessment with regard to not only whether the scheme operates appropriately, but whether it secures public confidence. It would take only one case to go wrong for the system that we all welcome to be challenged.

Recommendation 13 states that the judge will set out

"the circumstances of the offence as narrated in court, which report should be preserved with the case papers for later use if required."

With regard to Kay Ullrich's point, it would be useful if the minister could clarify whether that is the kind of material that would be available to the social workers and those at a local level who prepare the risk assessment.

Recommendation 23 involves the making of the order for lifelong restriction. The test is on the balance of probabilities. There could be difficulties with that in that it is a criminal provision that is being continued and the usual evidential test is that something should be beyond reasonable doubt. I would like the minister to address how safe the Executive feels that level of test to be.

My party is interested in the detail of the proposal, which will be drawn out when the matter comes before a committee—and I hope that it comes before my committee. I am sure that there will be some interesting discussions that will help to make the proposal become effective and workable law, not just in the primary legislation but in the guidelines, which will be extremely important.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): NPA
The next item of business is the debate on motion S1M-2041, in the name of Mr Jim Wallace, on serious violent and sexual offenders, and an amendment to that ...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD
I am pleased to move the motion today. First, it confirms that we have delivered on all of our programme for government commitment to"review the law by 2001 ...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
When reading this white paper, we have no choice but to go along with the stated aim of the minister: to make Scotland a safer place to live in. That is the ...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD): LD
Will Phil Gallie give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Patricia Ferguson): Lab
The member is about to wind up.
Phil Gallie: Con
I am sorry. I would have liked to take an intervention from Mike Rumbles.I have a number of other queries. One relates to the time that it may take to make a...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP): SNP
As the lack of an SNP amendment to the motion suggests, I have no hesitation in welcoming the publication of the white paper on serious violent and sexual of...
Gordon Jackson (Glasgow Govan) (Lab): Lab
It will come as no surprise to members to learn that I, too, welcome unreservedly the contents of the white paper. I have also been pleased to hear a degree ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Lab
No.
Gordon Jackson: Lab
I am very sorry, but I thought I got a wee look.I always like to add a wee "but" just for the sake of it—old habits die hard. The white paper is a start, but...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Lab
For Mr Jackson's information, he will know when I am winding him up.
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab
The debate has always been emotive and controversial. It concerns the most difficult offenders in our society. The debate is about creating safe communities....
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con): Con
Although the number of members in the chamber is somewhat depleted, there have been some extremely good speeches. Pauline McNeill was right to stress the imp...
Kay Ullrich (West of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
As many members know, in a previous existence, I spent many years working with victims of violent and sexual offending and with perpetrators of those awful c...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD
I would like to focus on one aspect of the excellent white paper. The paper tries to fulfil the recommendations of the MacLean committee and, on the technica...
Dr Richard Simpson (Ochil) (Lab): Lab
I commend the Executive for the process so far of developing a modern approach to the difficult issue of serious violent and sexual offenders.The Minister fo...
Mr Gil Paterson (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
Like many members, I very much welcome the recommendations in the MacLean report and I thank the Executive for accepting them. The MacLean report will ensure...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con): Con
Sentencing is always a difficult issue, particularly when the crimes for which a sentence is being imposed are especially serious and sometimes horrific. The...
Roseanna Cunningham: SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I realise that this is a matter of convention, but does the fact that the Executive front benches are entirely empty ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): SNP
It is not for me to comment. It is a convention for ministers normally to be present during a debate and I am sure that civil servants or Government whips wi...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab): Lab
The Executive should be congratulated on bringing forward the white paper in line with the commitment in the programme for government and on accepting all th...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP): SNP
Like Kay Ullrich, I bring personal experience to the debate, as I am a former psychiatric nurse who worked in a locked ward. I was 17 years old at the time; ...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD
In this debate, we have seen the Scottish Parliament at its best. There is a kind of seminar atmosphere about the proceedings. I mean that in the highest sen...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
The SNP welcomes these progressive proposals. We all hope that, once they are fleshed out, they will facilitate a balance between the release of those who ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
We are falling slightly short of time. I may have to suspend business for two or three minutes before 5 o'clock. We shall see.
Mrs Lyndsay McIntosh (Central Scotland) (Con): Con
I am mindful of your concern about the timing, Presiding Officer, and I will try to as brief as I can.
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
The problem with the time is the other way round.
Mrs McIntosh: Con
People have other places to go. I will not keep them any longer than I have to.We broadly accept the MacLean report findings and recommendations and we welco...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
Iain Gray will wind up for the Scottish Executive.You have 14 minutes, minister. If you just want to take your allotted 10 minutes, I will stop for three min...
The Deputy Minister for Justice (Iain Gray): Lab
I am glad to have the opportunity today to discuss another aspect of the Scottish Executive's work that is aimed at protecting our communities. Managing the ...