Chamber
Plenary, 25 Oct 2000
25 Oct 2000 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Primary Dental Care
Mr Gallie is talking about one small area of Scotland, around Burghead. It would be nice to have good-quality research on that area. I have tried to find some conclusive research on it, but I have not found anything. There is good evidence that dental health is better in that area. I am not contesting that. Nor am I contesting the evidence that there is a beneficial effect on dental caries as a result of fluoridation. It is the other things that concern me.
The study found sufficient good evidence on one effect, that fluoridation causes significant fluorosis—discoloration of the teeth—in 48 per cent of the population. While that is a cosmetic effect, the review found that 12.5 per cent of people exposed would have fluorosis that they would find "aesthetically concerning". One in eight people might have to go to the dentist because fluoridation had discoloured their teeth.
The reviewers conclude that
"the evidence of a reduction in caries should be considered together with the increased prevalence of dental fluorosis".
They said in summary that their evidence on benefits and harms of fluoridation
"needs to be considered along with the ethical, environmental, ecological, costs and legal issues that surround any decisions about water fluoridation. All of these issues fell outside the scope of this review."
Given the findings of the University of York review, there is little need to go into the other arguments against fluoridation. There is reason enough for the Executive to reconsider its intentions following that review.
If fluoride is added to drinking water, everyone will have to consume it, whether they like it or not. It is not just a matter of people who do not want to drink water with added fluoride buying bottled water; fluoridated water will end up in foodstuffs prepared in Scotland.
This is a question of freedom of choice. Strathclyde Regional Council was taken to court when fluoridation was proposed. I expect that if the Executive goes ahead with the plan there will be legal challenges on the basis of the European convention on human rights. I beg the Executive to reconsider its dedication to fluoridation.
I move amendment S1M-1271.2, to insert at end:
"but believes that the plans relating to the fluoridation of water supplies as a means of supporting primary care dental services outlined in the action plan should be abandoned in the light of the conclusions of the systematic review of fluoridation by the NHS Centre for Reviews and Dissemination."
The study found sufficient good evidence on one effect, that fluoridation causes significant fluorosis—discoloration of the teeth—in 48 per cent of the population. While that is a cosmetic effect, the review found that 12.5 per cent of people exposed would have fluorosis that they would find "aesthetically concerning". One in eight people might have to go to the dentist because fluoridation had discoloured their teeth.
The reviewers conclude that
"the evidence of a reduction in caries should be considered together with the increased prevalence of dental fluorosis".
They said in summary that their evidence on benefits and harms of fluoridation
"needs to be considered along with the ethical, environmental, ecological, costs and legal issues that surround any decisions about water fluoridation. All of these issues fell outside the scope of this review."
Given the findings of the University of York review, there is little need to go into the other arguments against fluoridation. There is reason enough for the Executive to reconsider its intentions following that review.
If fluoride is added to drinking water, everyone will have to consume it, whether they like it or not. It is not just a matter of people who do not want to drink water with added fluoride buying bottled water; fluoridated water will end up in foodstuffs prepared in Scotland.
This is a question of freedom of choice. Strathclyde Regional Council was taken to court when fluoridation was proposed. I expect that if the Executive goes ahead with the plan there will be legal challenges on the basis of the European convention on human rights. I beg the Executive to reconsider its dedication to fluoridation.
I move amendment S1M-1271.2, to insert at end:
"but believes that the plans relating to the fluoridation of water supplies as a means of supporting primary care dental services outlined in the action plan should be abandoned in the light of the conclusions of the systematic review of fluoridation by the NHS Centre for Reviews and Dissemination."
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NPA
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Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP):
SNP
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Lab
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Con
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Lab
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Lab
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Lab
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Lab
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Lab
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LD
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Con
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SNP
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Lab
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SNP
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SNP
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Phil Gallie:
Con
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Green
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SNP
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LD
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Con
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