Chamber
Plenary, 24 Feb 2000
24 Feb 2000 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Code of Conduct
I welcome the opportunity to debate the issue today, as the subject of members' conduct goes hand in hand with our continuing desire to make the Scottish Parliament open, accessible and transparent—not only the Parliament, but every MSP should fulfil those aims.
People are cynical about politics and distrustful of political promises—we should not be mistaken about that. Therefore, we must commit ourselves, as a Parliament and as individuals, to the highest standards in public life, to ensure public confidence in the political process.
We know that the proposals put before Parliament today are the starting position and will be subject to change over time. That the guidelines were put before us as quickly as possible is an important point.
As we are all too well aware, our friends in the media love nothing more than a bit of sensationalism—sleaze scandals are their favourite diet. Previous scandals at Westminster did the reputation of politics and politicians immeasurable damage and led to the establishment of the Committee on Standards in Public Life. The document that we are debating today is consistent with the recommendations of that committee.
I particularly welcome the fact that the code not only outlines the approach that members are expected and required to take when we carry out our duties, but explains the rules governing our conduct and guides our interpretation of them. It is not always easy to know exactly what is, or is not, acceptable. There is even a flow chart for those who are really confused, which will assist members to decide whether they have a declarable interest. It is an invaluable guide for members who have not held public or elected office before.
Lobbying, which has been mentioned already, is another important aspect of the code. It is vital that MSPs know exactly to whom—and in what capacity—they are speaking. I fully agree with Mike Rumbles that lobbying is an important part of the democratic process, but we must always be aware that we should exercise complete propriety in such relationships.
I am sure that most members agree that, on most occasions, the behaviour of members in this chamber is exemplary, compared with some of the activities of our Westminster colleagues. However, that might not always be the case. It is only right and proper that we are required to conduct ourselves in a manner appropriate to the standing of the Scottish Parliament—the guidelines in the code of conduct will ensure that we follow the right direction.
Respect is not a right—it must be earned. If we are to earn respect as a Parliament, we must conduct ourselves appropriately.
I join my colleagues in commending the Standards Committee for the effort that it put into preparing the document. I hope that we can all unite behind it.
People are cynical about politics and distrustful of political promises—we should not be mistaken about that. Therefore, we must commit ourselves, as a Parliament and as individuals, to the highest standards in public life, to ensure public confidence in the political process.
We know that the proposals put before Parliament today are the starting position and will be subject to change over time. That the guidelines were put before us as quickly as possible is an important point.
As we are all too well aware, our friends in the media love nothing more than a bit of sensationalism—sleaze scandals are their favourite diet. Previous scandals at Westminster did the reputation of politics and politicians immeasurable damage and led to the establishment of the Committee on Standards in Public Life. The document that we are debating today is consistent with the recommendations of that committee.
I particularly welcome the fact that the code not only outlines the approach that members are expected and required to take when we carry out our duties, but explains the rules governing our conduct and guides our interpretation of them. It is not always easy to know exactly what is, or is not, acceptable. There is even a flow chart for those who are really confused, which will assist members to decide whether they have a declarable interest. It is an invaluable guide for members who have not held public or elected office before.
Lobbying, which has been mentioned already, is another important aspect of the code. It is vital that MSPs know exactly to whom—and in what capacity—they are speaking. I fully agree with Mike Rumbles that lobbying is an important part of the democratic process, but we must always be aware that we should exercise complete propriety in such relationships.
I am sure that most members agree that, on most occasions, the behaviour of members in this chamber is exemplary, compared with some of the activities of our Westminster colleagues. However, that might not always be the case. It is only right and proper that we are required to conduct ourselves in a manner appropriate to the standing of the Scottish Parliament—the guidelines in the code of conduct will ensure that we follow the right direction.
Respect is not a right—it must be earned. If we are to earn respect as a Parliament, we must conduct ourselves appropriately.
I join my colleagues in commending the Standards Committee for the effort that it put into preparing the document. I hope that we can all unite behind it.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel):
NPA
I remind members who may not have been present this morning that decision time will be at 5.30 pm today, to allow a full debate on the code of conduct. I cal...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
It is with great pleasure that I am able, on behalf of my colleagues on the Standards Committee, to present our first report of 2000, which proposes a draft ...
Dennis Canavan (Falkirk West):
*
When I made the affirmation on taking my seat in this Parliament, I made it clear that I believe in the sovereignty of the people of Scotland rather than the...
The Minister for Parliament (Mr Tom McCabe):
Lab
On behalf of the Executive, I will begin by expressing our thanks—and, I hope, those of the entire chamber—to the Standards Committee for its work in an area...
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con):
Con
I rise to support Mr Mike Rumbles and my parliamentary colleagues on the Standards Committee who have agreed the code of conduct for members of the Scottish ...
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
I thank Tom McCabe for his comments about the Standards Committee and the work in which we have been engaged since we were all elected. I would particularly ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
SNP
Nine members have indicated a wish to speak before Des McNulty winds up the debate. It should be possible to include everybody if speeches are kept to about ...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD):
LD
I welcome the code of conduct and I applaud the work of the Standards Committee. Lord James Douglas-Hamilton said that he hoped that the code would keep all ...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I want to direct my remarks to section 8.3 of the code of conduct, on cross-party group rules. I endeavoured to intimate to Mike Rumbles and Des McNulty the ...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab):
Lab
On a point of order. I am concerned at the line and level of detail that Christine Grahame is pursuing. I do not think that it is appropriate in this context.
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
I share your concern, Mr McNulty.
Christine Grahame:
SNP
I accept that and will move on.A motion was put on the basis that the rules had not been ratified by the Parliament and that I was not debarred from moving t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Ms Grahame, I must ask you to focus on the work of the Standards Committee.
Christine Grahame:
SNP
I am focusing on it.
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
Do so more precisely, please.
Christine Grahame:
SNP
My point is that the group would have been inhibited in discussing certain matters if the public had been there—not members of the general public, but the tw...
Des McNulty:
Lab
On a point of order. There is a difficulty, as Christine Grahame has not formally lodged amendments to the motion.
Christine Grahame:
SNP
I accept that.
Des McNulty:
Lab
If Christine Grahame wants to propose amendments for the Standards Committee to consider at a subsequent stage, there is a mechanism to allow her to do that....
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
I think that that would be fair. Will Ms Grahame please draw her remarks to a close?
Christine Grahame:
SNP
I shall draw my remarks to a close.
Mr Rumbles:
LD
It is important that we clarify the situation, so that members are absolutely clear about the rules for cross-party groups.The Parliament has already adopted...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
I agree with that comment. I ask Christine Grahame to cease her remarks unless she has anything of great urgency to say to the chamber.
Christine Grahame:
SNP
I knew that I could not move an amendment today, but there are practical difficulties that might not have been foreseen—and that might not be foreseen—by oth...
Janis Hughes (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to debate the issue today, as the subject of members' conduct goes hand in hand with our continuing desire to make the Scottish Par...
David Mundell (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
Before I begin my speech, I want to declare all my registered interests, as I intend to refer to them.I have always argued that this Parliament should seek t...
Mr Rumbles:
LD
I will try to clarify the issue. If a member has a registrable interest, has registered it and wants to speak about it in a debate, the procedure is straight...
David Mundell:
Con
That is helpful, but guidance to members would be useful. Obviously, the situation will evolve as the committee considers individual cases, but—as Mr Rumbles...
Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
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Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP):
SSP
In public life, I have never lied or knowingly misled. That is why members who have asked me how I got my black eye have believed me when I have told them th...