Chamber
Plenary, 17 Nov 1999
17 Nov 1999 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Child Care Strategy
It is my pleasure, and my party's pleasure, to support warmly Sam Galbraith's motion. The great thing about coming fourth in the opening speeches is that one tears up one's original speech and responds to what others have said.
I remember moving back to my home town in 1986 with three small children, and being profoundly grateful that in one of the schools there were nursery places. It made a great difference to my wife and me. We were lucky at that time, because—as Mr Peacock will well recall—there were not many other nursery places in Highland. How different things are today.
I remember, too—especially when I was a councillor with Ross and Cromarty District Council—trying to help single parents get back into work, and how crucial child care was.
We all have the figures that were distributed at the back of the chamber; more telling, perhaps, are some figures that come directly from Highland. In 1995, there were 24 local authority centres catering for some 800 children. Today, there are 134 such centres, catering for 2,100 children. That is a remarkable achievement. There are also 86 partner centres. The figures for the under-fours show that 40 per cent of three-year-olds—930 children—are being catered for. By next year, we aim to reach 70 per cent of all the children in Highland.
Those are real and concrete achievements and I do not think that anybody could gainsay them. I welcome the tone of the speeches by Nicola Sturgeon and Brian Monteith. We should not muck about: Sam Galbraith and his team should be congratulated.
In a good speech, Nicola referred to
"piecemeal support for a plethora of initiatives."
That is not fair—I think that it was a soundbite. However, she made a point about rural schools that I welcome.
In the sure start Scotland programme, there is talk of taking services out to rural areas. That will prove to be an acid test of how we perform in future. I have always supported the holistic approach to provision for children that Nicola was perhaps advocating. Such an approach could include leisure and social work and might help to change the way in which things are done in rural areas.
I was interested in Nicola's reference to her visit to Leith. I have many reasons to bless being an MSP for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross, and today I have found another reason to do so. However, if she decides to visit us, we will be glad to welcome her.
I have to tell Brian Monteith that the whole issue of vouchers was a paperchase. Although I will give his party some credit for its policies, I was a councillor when vouchers were introduced and
was bamboozled when I tried to find my way through that system. The system today is much better.
My final point touches on a comment made by Sam Galbraith. There is a slight problem with recruiting people into the sector and retaining them.
The Deputy Minister for Children and Education (Peter Peacock) indicated agreement.
I remember moving back to my home town in 1986 with three small children, and being profoundly grateful that in one of the schools there were nursery places. It made a great difference to my wife and me. We were lucky at that time, because—as Mr Peacock will well recall—there were not many other nursery places in Highland. How different things are today.
I remember, too—especially when I was a councillor with Ross and Cromarty District Council—trying to help single parents get back into work, and how crucial child care was.
We all have the figures that were distributed at the back of the chamber; more telling, perhaps, are some figures that come directly from Highland. In 1995, there were 24 local authority centres catering for some 800 children. Today, there are 134 such centres, catering for 2,100 children. That is a remarkable achievement. There are also 86 partner centres. The figures for the under-fours show that 40 per cent of three-year-olds—930 children—are being catered for. By next year, we aim to reach 70 per cent of all the children in Highland.
Those are real and concrete achievements and I do not think that anybody could gainsay them. I welcome the tone of the speeches by Nicola Sturgeon and Brian Monteith. We should not muck about: Sam Galbraith and his team should be congratulated.
In a good speech, Nicola referred to
"piecemeal support for a plethora of initiatives."
That is not fair—I think that it was a soundbite. However, she made a point about rural schools that I welcome.
In the sure start Scotland programme, there is talk of taking services out to rural areas. That will prove to be an acid test of how we perform in future. I have always supported the holistic approach to provision for children that Nicola was perhaps advocating. Such an approach could include leisure and social work and might help to change the way in which things are done in rural areas.
I was interested in Nicola's reference to her visit to Leith. I have many reasons to bless being an MSP for Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross, and today I have found another reason to do so. However, if she decides to visit us, we will be glad to welcome her.
I have to tell Brian Monteith that the whole issue of vouchers was a paperchase. Although I will give his party some credit for its policies, I was a councillor when vouchers were introduced and
was bamboozled when I tried to find my way through that system. The system today is much better.
My final point touches on a comment made by Sam Galbraith. There is a slight problem with recruiting people into the sector and retaining them.
The Deputy Minister for Children and Education (Peter Peacock) indicated agreement.
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Patricia Ferguson):
Lab
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The Minister for Children and Education (Mr Sam Galbraith):
Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer.I hope that we will not find too much difference among the parties in this debate; that is reflected in the amendment lodged by ...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
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Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
Will the member give way?
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
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Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab):
Lab
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Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
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Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
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Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
Will the member give way?
Mr Monteith:
Con
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Fiona Hyslop:
SNP
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Mr Monteith:
Con
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Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
Will the member give way?
Mr Monteith:
Con
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Lab
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Con
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Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
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Mr Stone:
LD
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Mrs Mary Mulligan (Linlithgow) (Lab):
Lab
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Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
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Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab):
Lab
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Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
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Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
Lab
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Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
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Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab):
Lab
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Brian Adam (North-East Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
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Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD):
LD
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Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab):
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Con
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Helen Eadie:
Lab
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