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Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee, 09 Jun 2009

09 Jun 2009 · S3 · Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee
Item of business
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendments 154, 155, 156 and 161 seek to strengthen the bill by introducing a new obligation to produce and update an action plan on renewable heat. At around 1.4 per cent of demand, current renewable heat use in Scotland is minimal and needs to increase significantly if we are to meet our target of producing 20 per cent of Scotland's total energy consumption from renewable sources by 2020.We are well aware of the challenge of increasing the uptake of renewable heat in Scotland. However, we are prepared to face up to it and the renewable heat action plan will provide a focus for our various actions to develop, grow and promote the sector. By strengthening the bill in this way, we will ensure that the policy remains under scrutiny during the important period of early growth leading to the expansion that is necessary to meet European 2020 renewable energy targets and to play a part in reducing carbon emissions.Turning to Mr Gibson's amendments, I am content to support amendment 155A, which seeks to introduce a requirement for the renewable heat action plan to set targets and to describe how those targets will be reported on. Amendment 254 seeks to require Scottish ministers to make a statement on the renewable heat action plan when it is laid before the Parliament. As that is in line with other provisions in the bill, I am content to support it.Amendments 239 and 240, which have been lodged by Iain Smith on behalf of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, seek to require ministers to prepare a plan about the promotion of renewable heat. I agree that the best way to do that is to put a duty on Scottish ministers to prepare and publish an action plan for the promotion of renewable heat. However, given that our amendments 154, 155, 156 and 161 seek to achieve the same outcome but articulate things in greater detail by, for example, creating stronger links between the energy efficiency and renewable heat action plans, I hope that Mr Smith will recognise that amendments 239 and 240 are probably unnecessary and agree not to move them.Amendment 270, in the name of Ms Boyack, seeks to require Scottish ministers to introduce renewable heat targets. The targets are defined in the amendment as"the number of renewable heat systems installed in Scotland"at a specified date. Subsection (3) of the new section that the amendment would insert requires that Scottish ministers take steps to meet the targets,"including by requiring local authorities to set objectives for promoting renewable heat in their areas."Under the Scottish Government's concordat with local government, it is for local authorities to determine how the money that is made available to them is spent to fulfil their statutory duties and to deliver the agreed outcomes in their single outcome agreements. By focusing on outcomes and removing substantial bureaucracy, that approach simplifies the delivery of government for the benefit of people and communities in Scotland. Amendment 270 runs counter to that by taking a prescriptive approach to local authorities, so I cannot support it.Ministers agree that a renewable heat target is needed, but we do not agree that it should be set in respect of the number of renewable heat systems that are installed by a specified date. It is better to designate a target share for the contribution of renewable heat to energy consumption from renewables by 2020 than to specify the number of systems that must be installed. That is in line with the European Commission's commitment to increase the share of renewable energy to 20 per cent of final European Union energy consumption by 2020.Although we are broadly supportive of what Sarah Boyack seeks to achieve through amendment 270, we believe that amendments 155A and 254, in the name of Rob Gibson, already cover the need for targets and reporting, and that they do so in a way that does not cut across the concordat with local government and local government's responsibilities. For the reasons that I have set out, I cannot recommend support for amendment 270.I move amendment 154.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Patrick Harvie): Green
Good afternoon and welcome to the 16th meeting this year of the Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee. I remind members and everyone else th...
The Minister for Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change (Stewart Stevenson): SNP
Thank you very much, convener.I am sure that members will appreciate the complicated nature of the bill's provisions on the "relevant body" and the "advisory...
The Convener: Green
Thank you. Now that that is on the record, we will proceed with our consideration of amendments. Members will be familiar with the process. I repeat what I h...
Section 48—Duty of Scottish Ministers to promote energy efficiency
The Convener: Green
Amendment 222, in the name of Iain Smith, is grouped with amendments 223, 252 and 232.
Iain Smith (North East Fife) (LD): LD
I am pleased to open day 3 of the committee's stage 2 proceedings. I start by saying that in speaking to most of the amendments in my name this afternoon, I ...
The Convener: Green
I welcome the amendments from Iain Smith and the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee. The emphasis on energy efficiency in recent years has increased slowl...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab
The committee is in a wee bit of difficulty, because it argued explicitly in its stage 1 report against targets for sectors and said that "indications" shoul...
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
I am content to support amendments 222 and 223. Amendment 222 would require the Scottish ministers to publish a plan that included provision for"improving th...
Iain Smith: LD
I welcome the minister's support of amendments 222 and 223. I also listened with care to his comments on amendment 232, which is, it is fair to say, a backst...
Amendment 222 agreed to.
Amendment 223 moved—Iain Smith—and agreed to.
The Convener: Green
Amendment 251, in the name of Sarah Boyack, is grouped with amendments 271 and 272.
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab): Lab
The provisions in amendment 251 form part of the member's bill on which I have been working since 2005. At the outset of speaking to the amendments, I record...
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
I will consider all the amendments in the group, starting with amendment 271. I will then speak to amendment 272, after which I will come to amendment 251. I...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
If amendment 251 is agreed to, do you intend to lodge an amendment to change some of its terms, although you are happy with its spirit?
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
I do not require that the amendment be passed today to lodge an amendment at stage 3. I am in the committee's hands. However, I make the general comment that...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
My difficulty is that I was in with the bricks with the Scottish Government's original policy, so I have tried to word all my amendments on the basis of our ...
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
The word that is causing us difficulty is "operational". I wonder whether the member is confident that previous work addressed that issue in a robust legal w...
Sarah Boyack: Lab
That is useful.My main problem with not pressing the matter is that we have not made the progress on planning aspects in the past two years that ministers we...
The Convener: Green
The question is, that amendment 251 be agreed to. Are members agreed?
Members:
No.
The Convener: Green
There will be a division.
ForGordon, Charlie (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab)Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)McNulty, Des (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab)Peattie, Cathy (Falkirk East) (Lab)Ag...
The Convener: Green
The result of the division is: For 4, Against 4, Abstentions 0. Because, as I indicated earlier, the casting vote is for the status quo, which is the bill as...
Amendment 251 disagreed to.
Amendment 252 not moved.
The Convener: Green
Amendment 154, in the name of the minister, is grouped with amendments 155, 155A, 156, 254, 239, 240, 161 and 270.
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
Amendments 154, 155, 156 and 161 seek to strengthen the bill by introducing a new obligation to produce and update an action plan on renewable heat. At aroun...
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
Amendment 155A, in my name, seeks to increase the clarity of the renewable heat action plan and the scrutiny to which it is subject. The percentage of heat t...