Committee
Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee, 09 Jun 2009
09 Jun 2009 · S3 · Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee
Item of business
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 222, in the name of Iain Smith, is grouped with amendments 223, 252 and 232.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Patrick Harvie):
Green
Good afternoon and welcome to the 16th meeting this year of the Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee. I remind members and everyone else th...
The Minister for Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change (Stewart Stevenson):
SNP
Thank you very much, convener.I am sure that members will appreciate the complicated nature of the bill's provisions on the "relevant body" and the "advisory...
The Convener:
Green
Thank you. Now that that is on the record, we will proceed with our consideration of amendments. Members will be familiar with the process. I repeat what I h...
Section 48—Duty of Scottish Ministers to promote energy efficiency
The Convener:
Green
Amendment 222, in the name of Iain Smith, is grouped with amendments 223, 252 and 232.
Iain Smith (North East Fife) (LD):
LD
I am pleased to open day 3 of the committee's stage 2 proceedings. I start by saying that in speaking to most of the amendments in my name this afternoon, I ...
The Convener:
Green
I welcome the amendments from Iain Smith and the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee. The emphasis on energy efficiency in recent years has increased slowl...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab):
Lab
The committee is in a wee bit of difficulty, because it argued explicitly in its stage 1 report against targets for sectors and said that "indications" shoul...
Stewart Stevenson:
SNP
I am content to support amendments 222 and 223. Amendment 222 would require the Scottish ministers to publish a plan that included provision for"improving th...
Iain Smith:
LD
I welcome the minister's support of amendments 222 and 223. I also listened with care to his comments on amendment 232, which is, it is fair to say, a backst...
Amendment 222 agreed to.
Amendment 223 moved—Iain Smith—and agreed to.
The Convener:
Green
Amendment 251, in the name of Sarah Boyack, is grouped with amendments 271 and 272.
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab):
Lab
The provisions in amendment 251 form part of the member's bill on which I have been working since 2005. At the outset of speaking to the amendments, I record...
Stewart Stevenson:
SNP
I will consider all the amendments in the group, starting with amendment 271. I will then speak to amendment 272, after which I will come to amendment 251. I...
Sarah Boyack:
Lab
If amendment 251 is agreed to, do you intend to lodge an amendment to change some of its terms, although you are happy with its spirit?
Stewart Stevenson:
SNP
I do not require that the amendment be passed today to lodge an amendment at stage 3. I am in the committee's hands. However, I make the general comment that...
Sarah Boyack:
Lab
My difficulty is that I was in with the bricks with the Scottish Government's original policy, so I have tried to word all my amendments on the basis of our ...
Stewart Stevenson:
SNP
The word that is causing us difficulty is "operational". I wonder whether the member is confident that previous work addressed that issue in a robust legal w...
Sarah Boyack:
Lab
That is useful.My main problem with not pressing the matter is that we have not made the progress on planning aspects in the past two years that ministers we...
The Convener:
Green
The question is, that amendment 251 be agreed to. Are members agreed?
Members:
No.
The Convener:
Green
There will be a division.
ForGordon, Charlie (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab)Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)McNulty, Des (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab)Peattie, Cathy (Falkirk East) (Lab)Ag...
The Convener:
Green
The result of the division is: For 4, Against 4, Abstentions 0. Because, as I indicated earlier, the casting vote is for the status quo, which is the bill as...
Amendment 251 disagreed to.
Amendment 252 not moved.
The Convener:
Green
Amendment 154, in the name of the minister, is grouped with amendments 155, 155A, 156, 254, 239, 240, 161 and 270.
Stewart Stevenson:
SNP
Amendments 154, 155, 156 and 161 seek to strengthen the bill by introducing a new obligation to produce and update an action plan on renewable heat. At aroun...
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
Amendment 155A, in my name, seeks to increase the clarity of the renewable heat action plan and the scrutiny to which it is subject. The percentage of heat t...