Committee
Social Justice Committee, 19 Sep 2001
19 Sep 2001 · S1 · Social Justice Committee
Item of business
Voluntary Sector Inquiry
Mark Batho (Scottish Executive Development Department):
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It may be useful if I begin by describing where the voluntary issues unit sits in the overall scheme of things at the Scottish Executive. It is one of three divisions within the social justice group, which I head, the other two being the equality unit and the social inclusion division. The role of the voluntary issues unit is to encourage, support and develop the relationship between the Executive and the voluntary sector. It is not the channel or gateway for all the Executive's dealings with the sector, because the Executive's policy is to encourage mainstreaming. For example, the education department will deal directly with the voluntary sector on education issues, the health department will deal directly with the sector on health issues, and so on. However, the voluntary issues unit sits at the centre to encourage and support those contacts. In policy terms, the Executive regards the voluntary sector as an important player in all aspects of the business with which the Executive deals. It sees the sector as a key partner in policy development, service delivery and the development of community capacity—alternatively known as the accumulation of social capital. That is recognised in the terms of the Scottish compact, which is the agreement between the Executive and the voluntary sector—I think members have copies of it. The compact provides a framework for developing further the relationship between the sector and the Executive. The Executive's commitment is also backed up with money. In 1998-99, the Executive directly provided the sector with £23 million; that has risen to £39 million in 2001-02. The Executive has made a number of commitments to the sector to modernise the legal and financial framework within which the sector operates. In particular, a funding review is under way—no doubt we will talk more about that. There is also a separate but connected review of the funding of the black and ethnic minority voluntary sector. A review of charity law was conducted by Jean McFadden, responsibility for which lies with the Deputy First Minister, Jim Wallace, and with the justice department. However, my group also takes a close interest in that, because half of Scotland's voluntary organisations are charities.A review of the social economy began yesterday with the secondment to the social justice group of a member of staff from the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations, who will conduct that review over the next three months or so. Several new funding mechanisms have been developed and we are investigating new ways of funding the voluntary sector. In fact, even as I speak, social investment Scotland—a new loan fund for social economy organisations—is being launched.We are also strengthening the sector's infrastructure support; for example, we have completed the national network of councils of voluntary service and local volunteer development agencies. The Executive has doubled its funding for both those networks.We have good working relationships with the main sector umbrella bodies, the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations and Volunteer Development Scotland. We have two main formal forums in which we meet: the voluntary sector forum, which is chaired alternately by the Minister for Social Justice or her deputy and by the convener of the SCVO. The forum meets a couple of times a year to run through issues of concern to both sides. The convener of the SCVO and the chair of Volunteer Development Scotland also participate in the voluntary issues management board. The board meets three times a year and involves senior officials from the Scottish Executive and the voluntary sector. At an official level, I chair the board. We have good, regular, informal contacts with the SCVO, Volunteer Development Scotland and other umbrella bodies across the sector. Increasingly, we are developing international contacts. It is increasingly apparent that many countries across the world are working at different stages of very similar agendas. We have things to offer other countries and they undoubtedly have things to offer us. For example, Sheenagh Adams attended the main United Nations conference at the start of the international year of volunteering, in Amsterdam. A representative of the SCVO and I were invited to Canada at the beginning of this year to discuss our compact and a similar agreement on which the Government of Canada is working with its voluntary sector. That visit was followed up by a ministerial visit in July, when Margaret Curran, accompanied by SCVO representatives and me, went back to Ottawa and on to Quebec, which is at the forefront of interesting developments on the social economy. We hope to build on those contacts. I recommend to the committee the website of the voluntary sector initiative in Canada, which is highly accessible and very informative. I can provide the clerk with contacts if that would be helpful.
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The Convener:
Lab
I welcome the officials from the Scottish Executive—Mark Batho, head of the social justice group, Sheenagh Adams, head of the voluntary issues unit, and Gavi...
Mark Batho (Scottish Executive Development Department):
It may be useful if I begin by describing where the voluntary issues unit sits in the overall scheme of things at the Scottish Executive. It is one of three ...
The Convener:
Lab
Your written submission states:"The sector is also well placed to assist the Executive in developing policy given the wide variety of interests covered."Can ...
Sheenagh Adams (Scottish Executive Development Department):
One of the features of working with the sector in the past has been the issuing of consultation papers by the Executive and previously by the Scottish Office...
The Convener:
Lab
Do you agree that one of the strengths of the voluntary sector is that, through identifying need locally and developing practice—for example in child care or...
Sheenagh Adams:
We maintain the strength to which you refer mainly by working with the intermediary bodies in the sector. Those are bodies in which a range of voluntary nati...
The Convener:
Lab
Do you think that, even where a voluntary organisation relies largely on money from the Scottish Executive, the Executive would not be tempted to flex its mu...
Sheenagh Adams:
That has not been my experience and I am not aware of that being a criticism of the Executive.
Mark Batho:
You are right, convener, that there is a risk that the Executive will be perceived as saying to voluntary organisations, "We have decided to do something. He...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD):
LD
I will widen the context of the discussion. As I understand it, the compact is an agreement between the Executive and the voluntary sector, but most support ...
Sheenagh Adams:
We know that some local authorities have developed their own local compacts. The Convention of Scottish Local Authorities has been involved in developing a v...
Robert Brown:
LD
Do you have any perspective on the extent to which the principles that you are laying down at national level operate at local authority level throughout the ...
Sheenagh Adams:
Obviously, you would need to ask COSLA and the local authorities about that.
Robert Brown:
LD
Do you have a perspective on that?
Sheenagh Adams:
Our perspective on the approach that different local authorities take comes mainly through the national networks that we fund, especially the councils for vo...
Robert Brown:
LD
What sort of feedback have you had from the voluntary sector on how well the compact is working? How satisfied is the voluntary sector with the compact? Are ...
Sheenagh Adams:
The voluntary issues unit and the voluntary sector have carried out a joint review on the workings of the compact. The first report on that has been submitte...
Robert Brown:
LD
You have talked about a report on the working of the compact. Will a formal review of the compact take place so that additions can be made and weaknesses add...
Sheenagh Adams:
There have been internal discussions on the possibility of reviewing the compact. At the end of October, there will be an away day for ministers, senior peop...
Robert Brown:
LD
Have any aspects been flagged up as causes for concern on which that process should focus?
Sheenagh Adams:
We are aware of the issues. When the minister publishes the report, we will see the reactions to the issues that it identifies. Funding remains an issue. To ...
Robert Brown:
LD
I would appreciate your view on the roll-out of the compact across other Executive departments. I am conscious that there can be a different approach to thin...
Sheenagh Adams:
The good practice guide has been circulated to all the Executive's departments, agencies and non-departmental public bodies, all of which are covered by the ...
Linda Fabiani:
SNP
Money is allocated to local authorities to promote certain voluntary initiatives, such as on particular health issues. I have heard from local groups that, a...
Mark Batho:
When money is handed over to local government as part of a settlement, it is for local authorities to decide how the money is used. Obviously, there are diff...
Linda Fabiani:
SNP
Are you saying that, if a local group complained that the local authority was not dispersing the money in the spirit in which it was granted, nothing can be ...
Mark Batho:
We are struggling a little because such matters are outside the funding handled by the voluntary issues unit. If one is talking about a specific education in...
Linda Fabiani:
SNP
That is fine. Such matters have been bothering me lately, and I am happy to hear your views.
Mark Batho:
Such matters go right to the heart of the relationship between the Executive and local government—territory that I do not want to go into just now.
Linda Fabiani:
SNP
Nor do many people.I have a specific interest in equal opportunities. I was a member of the Equal Opportunities Committee. Paragraph 9 of your submission sta...