Committee
Public Petitions Committee, 23 Sep 2008
23 Sep 2008 · S3 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Off-sales Alcohol Purchases (Age Limit) (PE1187 and PE1191)
Tom French (Coalition Against Raising the Drinking Age in Scotland):
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I represent the coalition against raising the drinking age in Scotland, which is a coalition of youth and student organisations, including the National Union of Students, the Scottish Youth Parliament and a number of student unions from across the country. We accept fully that alcohol misuse has a devastating effect on the health and wealth of Scotland. According to the Scottish Government's consultation document, it has costs to the NHS, the police and so on of about £2.25 billion a year. As a youth and student coalition, we believe fundamentally that something needs to be done about alcohol misuse. That is why in our response to the Government's consultation, which runs to 67 pages, we have outlined not just our opposition to the proposal to reduce the minimum purchase age for off-sales but how we believe alcohol misuse can be tackled in Scotland. I am sure that members will have questions for me on that issue.Fundamentally, our opposition to the proposal stems from the fact that we do not believe that it will address alcohol misuse. It will also have the negative side effect of infringing on the rights and responsibilities of young, responsible adults in our country. We do not agree with the creeping agenda of demonising young people that we have seen in the policy of Governments in the UK.In the consultation document, the Scottish Government suggests that raising the minimum purchase age would reduce alcohol-related harm, reduce excessive consumption of alcohol, reduce under-18s' access to alcohol, delay the onset of drinking and encourage drinking by 18 to 21-year-olds in more controlled settings. Those goals are laudable, but we do not accept the premise that raising the minimum purchase age will achieve them.We are not sure where the proposal to raise the minimum purchase age has come from. Our discussions with health organisations, alcohol charities and other bodies indicate that it has not come from health professionals. We can find no evidence that would lead anyone to think that raising the minimum purchase age will tackle the problem of Scotland's drinking culture and why alcohol misuse is deemed acceptable.I will put the proposal in context by looking at the situation abroad. Around the world, the minimum purchase age varies from zero to 21. The proposal would put us at the top of that range. According to a World Health Organization report, in 2004, 92.2 per cent of countries had a minimum purchase age of 18 or below; 63.2 per cent had a minimum purchase age of 18. Only 3.5 per cent of countries had a minimum purchase age of 21. In 90.4 per cent of countries, there was no difference between the on-sales and off-sales minimum purchase age. Interestingly, in 7.9 per cent of countries, the minimum purchase age was lower for off-sales than for on-sales. The proposal does not reflect an international trend, and it would place us in a small minority of countries, including the USA.Evidence from the USA shows that, in the 20 years since the minimum drinking age was raised, the measure has had no positive effect in tackling alcohol misuse. On underage drinking, the 2006 national survey on drug use and health showed that 10.8 million 12 to 20-year-olds reported drinking alcohol. A similar report showed that 90 per cent of the alcohol that was consumed by 12 to 20-year-olds was consumed in a manner that was considered to be binge drinking—excessive consumption. According to the surgeon general of the United States, 5,000 under-21-year-olds die of alcohol-related causes each year in the US.Underage drinking has not been eliminated; binge drinking and irresponsible alcohol use have certainly not been eliminated. In fact, some surveys and reports suggest that, instead of normalising responsible drinking, raising the minimum purchase age has created a forbidden-fruit effect—also known as a reactance effect—whereby taking alcohol away from someone makes alcohol consumption seem more exciting.As I have just shown you, people still get hold of alcohol when they are underage and consume it excessively. We do not see any trends around the world that show that raising the purchase age is an effective mechanism for tackling alcohol misuse. The consultation document argues that the apparent success of the trials of under-21 alcohol bans in Armadale—that was the first one—Cupar and Stenhousemuir is evidence in favour of raising the minimum purchase age in off-sales from 18 to 21. We have two criticisms of the use of those trials as evidence for raising the minimum purchase age. Having read the reports of the trials, not simply the press releases about them, we believe that the evidence shows that they were relatively unsuccessful and had insignificant and unattributable results. We started off by hearing that the proposal should be used as a mechanism to tackle the health effects of alcohol misuse. However, what we have heard recently has had nothing to do with alcohol misuse or its health implications; it has purely been about the effect on antisocial behaviour so, first of all, we need to clear up exactly what the Scottish Government is trying to do with the policy.When we examine the results of the trials, we see that they have had an insignificant effect. For example, during the trial in Armadale, minor assaults went up from 0.4 to 0.5 incidents a week on average. The biggest reduction in any antisocial behaviour in Armadale was in the incidence of vandalism—not specifically vandalism related to alcohol, but vandalism full stop—which reduced from 2.5 to 1.5 incidents per week. That is a reduction of one incident per week, which is hardly a stunning result, especially when we consider what Chief Inspector Jim Baird of Lothian and Borders Police concluded. Talking about the number of other schemes that ran at the same time and other variables that were involved in the trial, he said: "as they all ran in parallel it is not practicable, particularly with the low numbers of calls and reported crimes, to identify what operation had what effect."In each of the trials there was a range of variables, including numerous schemes that ran at the same time. That shows that, even ignoring how insignificant the results were, it is not possible to pinpoint raising the minimum purchase age as the factor that led to them. For example, the safer neighbourhood team had arrived in Armadale a few months before the trial. Since the team had been in place, there had been a constant reduction in reported antisocial behaviour, and that reduction would be expected to continue.We disagree with raising the minimum purchase age, because neither the international evidence nor the evidence from home shows that it is an effective means of tackling alcohol misuse. It does not affect underage drinking, binge drinking or excessive consumption, but sends out a mixed message to young, responsible adults between the ages of 18 and 21, despite the fact that alcohol misuse is not specific to their age group, as the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing has said. At 18, we trust people to go to war for their country and fight on the front line in Iraq and Afghanistan. They can get married, have children and even, under the Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005, own and run a pub, although it is not necessarily clear whether they would be able to purchase stock for it if the minimum purchase age were raised.The proposal demonises young people. Rather than go forward with it—
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
We will now consider PE1187 and PE1191 together as they deal with the same subject. PE1187, by Greig Muir, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scott...
Greig Muir:
I lodged my petition because I thought it was necessary to show the anger that exists about the Government's proposal to increase the age limit for alcohol o...
The Convener:
Lab
I invite Tom French to comment on his petition.
Tom French (Coalition Against Raising the Drinking Age in Scotland):
I represent the coalition against raising the drinking age in Scotland, which is a coalition of youth and student organisations, including the National Union...
The Convener:
Lab
Tom, I think that we have got the message. Some things never change in student unions: a three-minute speech always takes seven minutes.Clearly, we now need ...
John Wilson:
SNP
Good afternoon. In light of the Government's consultation on raising the purchase age for alcohol to 21, what are your views on the actions that have been ta...
Greig Muir:
I do not think that the Government should take advice from supermarkets about law. It is up to the Government to decide whether the proposal is an appropriat...
Tom French:
We welcome initiatives such as challenge 21 and challenge 25. In our consultation response, we suggested that the challenge 21 policy should be made a mandat...
John Wilson:
SNP
I was interested in Mr French's analysis of the figures from the pilot areas. In Armadale, it was clearly identified that the number of incidents of alcohol ...
Tom French:
We need to clarify which issues we are trying to address. Are we trying to address the excessive consumption and misuse of alcohol or antisocial behaviour? T...
Rhoda Grant:
Lab
We are all concerned about alcohol misuse. How could we best promote responsible drinking? You disagree with the policy of raising the age limit for purchasi...
Greig Muir:
Other policies that were mentioned in the consultation, such as setting a minimum price per unit of alcohol, could have a very positive effect. We should tak...
Tom French:
We have suggested that instead of creating new laws and raising the purchase age, there are three other ways in which we could tackle alcohol misuse in Scotl...
Gurjit Singh (National Union of Students Scotland):
Through NUS Scotland, student unions promote safe drinking in various campaigns. On Tom French's point, I believe that tackling binge drinking must be part o...
Nanette Milne:
Con
I would like one small point of clarification. You have made some cogent points, all of which I agree with. In NUS Scotland's response to the Government cons...
Tom French:
Yes.
Nanette Milne:
Con
Greig, have you responded, too?
Greig Muir:
Yes.
Tom French:
We were dismayed—I think that is the right term—that seven days before the consultation ended, the First Minister said that the proposal would form part of t...
Nanette Milne:
Con
That will now be in the Official Report.
The Convener:
Lab
There is reassurance in that the issue has to go before Parliament where, unlike previously, the Government does not command a majority.There are a couple of...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab):
Lab
I understand that you have done a lot of work in speaking to MSPs and various organisations. Have you found any support for the policy in those conversations?
Tom French:
The meetings have suggested that the Labour Party—as you know—the Conservative party, the Liberal Democrats, the Green party and even some Scottish National ...
Claire Baker:
Lab
My follow-up question is on an issue that you have hinted at. Do you see a need for community solutions? The changes were introduced on a trial basis as loca...
Tom French:
Definitely. We want more investment in alternatives to alcohol for young people. As the Government pointed out in its consultation document, some schemes are...
John Wilson:
SNP
It was said earlier that if the Government cannot get the proposal through at national level, it will introduce it at local level. I want to clarify the situ...
Tom French:
That was not my comment.
John Wilson:
SNP
Right—a point was, however, made on the impact of the proposal on low-income families. Will the panel expand on that? The question whether the proposal can b...
Greig Muir:
I do not really understand the last point.
John Wilson:
SNP
I will clarify it. I think you said that the proposed policy would discriminate against those who cannot afford to buy alcohol. I am trying to draw out what ...