Committee
Public Petitions Committee, 24 Jun 2008
24 Jun 2008 · S3 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
A82 Upgrade (PE1140)
Stewart Maclean (A82 Partnership):
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You will note that an 84-page economic report is attached to the petition. I am sure that you have all studied it in great detail, but for those of you who have not managed to do that yet, I will summarise it quickly. First, it spends many pages explaining how difficult it is to put figures on the economic effect of road improvements. It then spends many more pages analysing industries and applying percentages. However, the most important thing is that it concludes by stating that bringing the A82 between Tarbet and Fort William up to a 21st century standard would benefit the overall, net Scottish economy by £313 million. That is the good news. However, the report gives 2019 to 2039 as the time period for that benefit. If the A82 is not brought up to a 21st century standard until 2019, the western Highlands and Islands will have little economic activity to benefit from the improvement.The economic report tells us one story, but we should also consider the practical effects on business, social life and family life. Every time we make a journey on the A82—whether it is for an appointment or a flight, or to meet a customer's deadline—we have to accept that it will be a slow journey and build in a factor for possible hold-ups. For example, in coming to today's meeting, I am sure that we all built in an hour on top of the journey time. A recent incident closed the road for 12 hours. There are no simple diversions. In many places, there is no mobile phone coverage and no radio reception, so people do not get information on what is happening. Imagine that situation occurring on the M8 between Glasgow and Edinburgh, with all the lanes closed, no radio reception and the mobile phone network down. We live with such situations far too frequently.I turn to the personal side. As John Hutchison said, a fatality causes the road to be closed for a minimum of six hours. In many cases, the investigators have a two-hour journey from Dingwall, and nowadays the location of the incident is treated as a crime scene, so we can bank on the road being closed for six hours. The DVD includes a comment from Northern Constabulary that a fatality costs more than £1 million purely in police and inquiry time. There have been 22 fatalities on the road in the past three years. The cost of those is a third of the sum that we are asking to be spent on the road, and if that money had been spent earlier, 22 lives would have been saved.Those are examples of the immediate costs that we live with every day. As Alasdair Ferguson said, there are increased costs for the daily transportation of goods and services in and out of the western Highlands. There are increased costs for maintenance, insurance and additional fuel, and the time element is also important. You will find out from the DVD that Ian Cleaver, from the hotel in Tyndrum, diverts his vehicles so they take 25 minutes longer on every journey—50 minutes a day. He does that purely for the safety of his passengers and his driver. I ask the committee to consider the costs of that.The main industries of the western Highlands and Islands are fish-related industries, tourism, timber, retail and haulage, all of which depend to a greater or lesser extent on transport. When I use the word "transport" in the context of the western Highlands, I am referring only to the road and to ferries, because we do not have an excellent, every-half-hour rail service. There are other restrictions on rail. It is obvious that the fishing industry requires fast and reliable journeys to market, as it needs to get its product there as quickly as possible.There will not be a 50 per cent growth in tourism on the A82. Tourism requires safe and stress-free trips, which is what holidaymaking is all about. It is not about panicking on meeting one of Alasdair Ferguson's lorries on a bend on Loch Lomondside, particularly if you are an American who has got off the plane at Glasgow airport and is driving a right-hand drive car for the first time. The road is terrifying for those people. The timber and haulage industries require road infrastructure in order to comply with the working time directive, as every minute is counted nowadays. Such issues feature every day in relation to the A82.The population of the western Highlands and Islands has dropped by 4 per cent over the past 10 years, and it is forecast to drop by another 8 per cent in the period 2002 to 2018. Unless we do something, we will suffer both economically and from a population standpoint. There is a difference between accessible rural areas and rural areas. It has been proven that population growth in accessible rural areas increases at double the rate of the Scottish national average. In normal, inaccessible rural areas, population growth is pretty stagnant. There is demand from people who want to go to rural areas, but we on the west coast are not meeting it because of our infrastructure.
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The Convener:
Lab
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John Hutchison (A82 Partnership):
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The Convener:
Lab
Thank you.Two elected members whose parliamentary constituencies are served by the A82 are here. I welcome Jackie Baillie—indeed, perhaps she will want to we...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab):
Lab
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Alasdair Ferguson (A82 Partnership):
I can answer several of those questions. I confirm that several hauliers from the islands use the A82 as their route going south, particularly if they come t...
John Farquhar Munro (Ross, Skye and Inverness West) (LD):
LD
Good morning, folks. Coming down the road this morning, I left the west coast a bit frustrated as I was trying to push on. I wondered what people are complai...
Alasdair Ferguson:
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John Farquhar Munro:
LD
That is very true. Someone such as yourself has had a lot of experience of the situation on the A82. If the petition is successful and achieves some financia...
Alasdair Ferguson:
The highest priority area is Loch Lomondside between Tarbet and Inveruglas, up to Pulpit Rock.
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
I come from Aberdeen, so you will appreciate that I do not drive on the A82 very often, although when family go skiing at Aonach Mòr, I am always relieved wh...
John Hutchison:
If you are not familiar with the road, you will enjoy the DVD.The route action plan that has been produced identified £90 million of work, and it is a start....
Nanette Milne:
Con
Have you been able to meet the minister to put across your concerns? I know that your campaign has been very active, and I wondered whether that was part of it.
John Hutchison:
That is part of our campaign. We have been trying to meet the minister for a couple of months now. I am pleased to say that I had a call this morning offerin...
The Convener:
Lab
I observe that a petition concentrates the mind. You got a call on the morning of your presentation on your petition. Well done to the minister and his staff...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
Timing is indeed a wonderful thing.I welcome the Public Petitions Committee to Dumbarton and hope that you will all return. I register my strong support for ...
Stewart Maclean (A82 Partnership):
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Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP):
SNP
As the constituency MSP for Lochaber, I congratulate the campaigners on their petition to the Parliament, which I believe has attracted more signatures than ...
John Hutchison:
It is interesting to note that the Scottish Ambulance Service has been an enthusiastic provider of data to us. It generally considers itself to be signed up ...
Alasdair Ferguson:
The note was about the Scottish Ambulance Service. I simply point out that if the road gets blocked for any reason—say, by a serious accident—anywhere betwee...
The Convener:
Lab
I am aware that we have a very full agenda. Your purpose in speaking to the petition is obviously to amplify wider demands for investment, but the committee ...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
Far be it from me to suggest what committee members should do—I am sure that their comments will supplement what we already have—but, given the evidence that...
Rhoda Grant:
Lab
It is important that we write to the Scottish Government and Transport Scotland in the terms that Jackie Baillie has outlined. However, I wonder whether we s...
The Convener:
Lab
Other than that, not many people, then.
Rhoda Grant:
Lab
There could be a few more.
Nanette Milne:
Con
What about the organisation that maintains the roads in wintertime?
The Convener:
Lab
Okay—TranServ as well. We now have a range of agencies and organisations to contact.From their experience of running the campaign, the petitioners will know ...
Stewart Maclean:
I know that time is of the essence, but please take the opportunity to watch the DVD. It really is worth while—even if only to hear Runrig singing "Loch Lomo...
John Farquhar Munro:
LD
The point has been forcefully made that, even with the capital that has been allocated, things are moving a bit too slowly. In our correspondence with organi...
The Convener:
Lab
To hurry them up, we will threaten them with a full Runrig album. I will say that before Donnie Munro gets a haud o me.I hope that today's meeting has been u...
John Hutchison:
Thank you for hearing us today. We know that you were not obliged to invite us to be present, but we thank you for doing so. Around 8,500 people are watching...