Committee
Public Petitions Committee, 28 Jun 2005
28 Jun 2005 · S2 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
G8 Summit (Peaceful Protest) (PE871)<br />G8 Summit (World Poverty) (PE874)
I agree with what Mark Ruskell said, apart from the worrying bit about my being part of the British state. I declare an interest in that I am involved with the Scottish Human Rights Centre and G8 Alternatives.Mark Ruskell rightly said that what was initially sought was the right to march past Gleneagles. Let us be clear about what we were asking for—to march past Gleneagles for a number of reasons. Live 8 and make poverty history make excellent points and have got coverage on the television and everywhere else. We know about the pain in the world, we know that debt cancellation is required, we know all that and that is fantastic. However, the eight guys who are making the decisions at the summit need to know how we feel and they live in a bit of a bubble. They need to hear the peaceful protest go past them because we the people—and we are talking globally here—need to express that and our protest has to be within earshot.As Mark Ruskell pointed out, a whole mishmash has erupted. There is a stigma attached to protest and accusations are made that protests are dangerous. We are all trained in non-violent direct action and we know exactly what we are doing, so there is no reason for this row to have erupted. We are now brought to the position where our human rights are being infringed because we cannot express ourselves near to Gleneagles hotel on the day. There is a short time to make things right. I do not know what the First Minister intends to say about that. However, my concern about the two petitions is that the situation is not yet played out. We do not know how much further our human rights could be pushed aside in the coming days and weeks in relation to the G8 summit. That is why it is imperative that such an infringement is not just a concern for the moment; it is a concern that we could be excluded from the democratic process and our right to speak up denied.I hope that we protect this petition and keep it open to allow us to have another look at it. I hope absolutely that the First Minister takes Bob Geldof's words to anybody with whom he hobnobs at the G8 event. It is worth noting that the things that Bob Geldof said have also been said by many of us in the Parliament. We have been booed, but when Bob says them, he is applauded. Let us applaud those words and take them forward. I hope that the First Minister will respond positively to both petitions and I hope that our freedom to march past Gleneagles will be upheld. However, we do not know for sure whether that will happen, and other things could negatively affect our human rights. That is why it is important that we hold open the petition so that we can revisit it.
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
We are joined by Mary McDevitt and Jo Ross, who are British sign language interpreters and who are here to provide interpretation services this morning. Welc...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
I would like a little guidance, convener—and I am not being difficult, honest.I understand why you are bringing the petitions together, but can you reassure ...
The Convener:
Lab
I can reassure you on that. If we had not combined the two petitions, the second petition would not have been on this morning's agenda. It came in very recen...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
Yes, it is. Thank you, convener.
The Convener:
Lab
PE874 is by Shauna McIntyre and it calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the First Minister to follow the advice of Sir Bob Geldof and lobby the G8 heads ...
Mr Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green):
Green
I welcome that statement of intent from the First Minister.I watched a documentary on Sunday night. It featured an African child of around 16 who died giving...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
I agree with what Mark Ruskell said, apart from the worrying bit about my being part of the British state. I declare an interest in that I am involved with t...
The Convener:
Lab
I give you a commitment now that it will be on our agenda in September so that we can look at the petitions post-G8. Are you happy with that?
Rosie Kane:
SSP
I am grateful to you for that. It does not surprise me that you would do that.
John Scott:
Con
Perhaps not unexpectedly, I am not trained in non-violent direct action, but that does not mean that I am not concerned about the problems of the third world...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
It is important that we send a signal that we enjoy the right to protest because we live in a healthy and vibrant democracy, which needs to be protected at a...
Mike Watson:
Ind
I have little to add to what Jackie Baillie has said about keeping things in perspective in terms of what is happening on Saturday, the concerts in London an...
The Convener:
Lab
When we revisit them in September, we can address—post-G8—what the implications of the petitions were. I cannot know what the First Minister's statement will...
Mike Watson:
Ind
Is there a way in which the committee can make a positive response as well?
The Convener:
Lab
There would be no harm in that at all.
John Scott:
Con
Does your conversation with the First Minister's office lead you to believe that he will make a statement on this matter in Parliament?
The Convener:
Lab
No. I think that the First Minister will respond to me, as the convener of the Public Petitions Committee. I will clarify whether that letter can be made pub...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
The emphasis must be on peaceful protest because, if we do not have peaceful protest, we will do a major disservice to every child who is dying throughout th...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
For more than a year now, the emphasis from G8 alternatives and connected organisations has been on peaceful protest. Their emphasis has always been on peace...
The Convener:
Lab
We can make that clear. We can write to the petitioner with our views. Also, as with any petition, the response from the Executive will be sent to the petiti...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Can we be more positive and ask him that we be able to release what he says?
The Convener:
Lab
That is what I am going to ask him. I will clarify whether that is his intention. Is that okay?Members indicated agreement.