Committee
Public Petitions Committee, 28 Jun 2005
28 Jun 2005 · S2 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
G8 Summit (Peaceful Protest) (PE871)<br />G8 Summit (World Poverty) (PE874)
I welcome that statement of intent from the First Minister.I watched a documentary on Sunday night. It featured an African child of around 16 who died giving birth. All of us in the Scottish Parliament now understand that we do not just have a right to protest at the G8 summit; we have a duty to protest at the G8 summit. In recent years, there has been a huge failure on the part of the G8 to tackle major problems and the millennium development goals.I do not want protesters in Strathearn to be thwarted from getting their concerns across; I do not want local people to be unnecessarily disrupted—and I speak as somebody who lives within 12 miles of Gleneagles hotel; and I do not want the leaders' safety to be put in jeopardy. However, we can deliver rights for the three different parties.Because there is a lack of agreed routes for marches in the area around Strathearn, there could be a complete free-for-all next Wednesday. Over the past year, when arrangements for the summit have been discussed, the attitude of the police has been, "Well, you know, whatever happens in the area, we'll be able to deal with it." That attitude really concerns me.Protesters are coming to Strathearn and were planning to do so long before Bono or Bob Geldof extended an invitation. The people who are coming have a lawful right to protest, but they have no lawful way of actually exercising that right in the area. That worries me. The attitude of the police seems to be, "Well, the make poverty history demonstration is on the Saturday four days before the leaders arrive, so you'll have had your demonstration." I do not think that that is good enough. Human rights cannot come in instalments. Either we have the right to protest or we do not.We need to find a solution. It cannot be beyond the wit of the British state—which we are part of, Rosie Kane is part of, and the police and the Executive are part of—to enter into dialogue with the local council and with peaceful protest groups to try to come to a solution that respects the rights of local people, respects the rights of the leaders to meet at Gleneagles hotel safely, and respects the rights of protestors to protest, as called for in PE871.The geography of the Strathearn area is being redesigned by the security operation to make it extremely difficult for any sort of lawful right to protest to be delivered. That is a mistake.I leave members with the thought that I do not want the epitaph of the summit to be, "We dealt with what happened, but we did not uphold people's rights to protest." We cannot just deal with the situation; we have to uphold people's rights and we can do that, but some urgent dialogue is needed. The main demonstrations are planned for Wednesday next week, so we have very little time. I welcome the First Minister's words to which the convener referred, but we need a sense of urgency and I ask the committee to consider that in its response to the petition.
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
We are joined by Mary McDevitt and Jo Ross, who are British sign language interpreters and who are here to provide interpretation services this morning. Welc...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
I would like a little guidance, convener—and I am not being difficult, honest.I understand why you are bringing the petitions together, but can you reassure ...
The Convener:
Lab
I can reassure you on that. If we had not combined the two petitions, the second petition would not have been on this morning's agenda. It came in very recen...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
Yes, it is. Thank you, convener.
The Convener:
Lab
PE874 is by Shauna McIntyre and it calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the First Minister to follow the advice of Sir Bob Geldof and lobby the G8 heads ...
Mr Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green):
Green
I welcome that statement of intent from the First Minister.I watched a documentary on Sunday night. It featured an African child of around 16 who died giving...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
I agree with what Mark Ruskell said, apart from the worrying bit about my being part of the British state. I declare an interest in that I am involved with t...
The Convener:
Lab
I give you a commitment now that it will be on our agenda in September so that we can look at the petitions post-G8. Are you happy with that?
Rosie Kane:
SSP
I am grateful to you for that. It does not surprise me that you would do that.
John Scott:
Con
Perhaps not unexpectedly, I am not trained in non-violent direct action, but that does not mean that I am not concerned about the problems of the third world...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
It is important that we send a signal that we enjoy the right to protest because we live in a healthy and vibrant democracy, which needs to be protected at a...
Mike Watson:
Ind
I have little to add to what Jackie Baillie has said about keeping things in perspective in terms of what is happening on Saturday, the concerts in London an...
The Convener:
Lab
When we revisit them in September, we can address—post-G8—what the implications of the petitions were. I cannot know what the First Minister's statement will...
Mike Watson:
Ind
Is there a way in which the committee can make a positive response as well?
The Convener:
Lab
There would be no harm in that at all.
John Scott:
Con
Does your conversation with the First Minister's office lead you to believe that he will make a statement on this matter in Parliament?
The Convener:
Lab
No. I think that the First Minister will respond to me, as the convener of the Public Petitions Committee. I will clarify whether that letter can be made pub...
Helen Eadie:
Lab
The emphasis must be on peaceful protest because, if we do not have peaceful protest, we will do a major disservice to every child who is dying throughout th...
Rosie Kane:
SSP
For more than a year now, the emphasis from G8 alternatives and connected organisations has been on peaceful protest. Their emphasis has always been on peace...
The Convener:
Lab
We can make that clear. We can write to the petitioner with our views. Also, as with any petition, the response from the Executive will be sent to the petiti...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Can we be more positive and ask him that we be able to release what he says?
The Convener:
Lab
That is what I am going to ask him. I will clarify whether that is his intention. Is that okay?Members indicated agreement.