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Public Petitions Committee, 28 Jun 2005

28 Jun 2005 · S2 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Rural Schools (Closure) (PE872)
It is difficult to follow three excellent speeches about the issues in the petition. As the committee knows, I previously brought a petition to Parliament from Glenrinnes Primary School, in my constituency, and raised the subject in the chamber on various occasions. I am therefore well aware of the implications of rural school closures and Moray is one of the worst-affected areas at the moment.I will not rehearse all the emotional arguments that I could make about the school being the heart of the community, although that is very much the case. What we are seeking in Moray is an Executive viewpoint—not just a committee viewpoint—on various issues. If there is no presumption against closure, why does it seem that various councils can pluck figures out of the air to suit their arguments? Is a school viable with 60 pupils, with 70 pupils or with 50 pupils? Why is there such variation when authorities such as Highland Council have decided not to close any schools but to mothball them on the basis that their population may increase? We hear all the arguments about the demographic changes in Scotland, but some councils are mothballing rural schools while others appear to be determined to close down a substantial number of them.At the meeting that I attended in Speyside last Monday, the point was made that many of these rural schools are a magnet to attract people to our rural communities. At a time when the Executive is talking about the fresh talent initiative and trying to reverse the demographic trends so that we have more young people, why on earth are we closing down what could be a major asset to all our communities in rural areas?I believe that what is happening is finance driven. Another comment that was made at the Speyside meeting was that the closures are being driven by a dash for cash and are not really addressing educational issues. I have not received a single complaint from a constituent about the quality of the education that is delivered in our rural schools. It is important that we take that on board. If the closures are finance driven, who is the driving force behind them? Is it the Executive or is it the local councils? We must investigate that.An important point was raised by Alex Johnstone. Councillors in Moray have been asked not to say where they stand on any particular school prior to recommendations coming from the director of education at a meeting that will take place in September, at which decisions will probably be taken on a programme that will start in October. I do not believe that there is a legal basis for keeping our councillors quiet. They are elected to represent the views of their communities and they have a responsibility to respond to those views. MSPs have to observe a code of conduct every day of our lives. We are asked to comment on particular issues and we do not say, "Oh, well. We will have to wait until stage 3 and see what the amendments are." People have a right to speak out as individuals and as elected members, and that should be taken into account by the Executive.On the recommendations, the petition should be sent not only to the Education Committee and the Environment and Rural Development Committee but to the Enterprise and Culture Committee. If these schools are a magnet for talented people to come into our rural communities, the Enterprise and Culture Committee should also examine the implications of that. I hope that all those views will be taken on board seriously by the committee. We face a major issue. A lot of people will become disaffected with the Parliament if we do not address the key matters that are brought to us by constituents daily.

In the same item of business

The Convener: Lab
Our next petition is PE872, which was lodged by Alexander Longmuir on behalf of the Arbirlot parents group. It calls on the Scottish Parliament"to urge the S...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab): Lab
Petition PE872, which seeks a presumption against the closure of rural schools, was lodged as a result of the proposed closure of schools in the north-east. ...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
What he said. I agree with everything that Richard Baker has just said, but I will add a couple of comments of my own.I, too, have had the opportunity to spe...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I compliment the Public Petitions Committee, although I am not sure whether it will help my case to do so. I will put matters in context. Two petitions have ...
Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP): SNP
It is difficult to follow three excellent speeches about the issues in the petition. As the committee knows, I previously brought a petition to Parliament fr...
The Convener: Lab
Thank you very much for your contributions, which will help the committee in its consideration of the petition.I will respond to a couple of the comments tha...
Rosie Kane: SSP
Six or seven years ago in Glasgow we experienced first hand many school closures. We are now aware of the negative impact that such closures have on pupils, ...
The Convener: Lab
That is a valid point and we can ask about that general issue in our letter to the Executive.
Mike Watson: Ind
I will make a general point first. This morning, we received a letter from the chairperson of the Arbirlot parents group, which expresses her concern—in fact...
Mrs Ewing: SNP
No.
Mike Watson: Ind
Are they not? I apologise. Individual members on those councils should be following those party policies. The presumption is important. Another important iss...
The Convener: Lab
I take on board that point and your earlier point, but the rules of the Parliament are that if an MSP wishes to come along to another committee they are free...
Mike Watson: Ind
It was not a criticism of you, convener.
The Convener: Lab
I know that, but it is worth putting on the record that this committee is affected by the situation probably more than any other, but we just have to deal wi...
Rob Gibson: SNP
I want to raise four points. The Executive appears to be placing pressure on councils and the way that they tackle the problem. I do not think for one minute...
Jackie Baillie: Lab
I was going to ask members some questions, but, in the light of Rob Gibson's comments, I will say something slightly different first.
The Convener: Lab
Please, do not ask members questions; we are not having a question and answer session.
Jackie Baillie: Lab
Okay. I will try to be brief and encapsulate my points.I support your comments to Margaret Ewing, convener—councillors are not prevented from participating i...
The Convener: Lab
The Executive should be asked those questions, too. I do not want to pre-empt what John Scott will say, but that is the direction in which I think we will ha...
John Scott: Con
I endorse Jackie Baillie's comments. I refer Margaret Ewing to a letter that we received from Tavish Scott some time ago that outlined the details of guideli...
Helen Eadie: Lab
We should write to the Scottish Executive to ask how it has monitored all the criteria that have been put in place. If there are inconsistencies, the ministe...
The Convener: Lab
We agree that we have to take up the issue with the Executive. We have a host of questions to ask. I will formulate a letter to the minister that will be acc...
Rob Gibson: SNP
Can we send it to the Enterprise and Culture Committee as well?
The Convener: Lab
If you think that that is appropriate. I am not so sure that it is. If the Education Committee and the Environment and Rural Development Committee are consid...
Rob Gibson: SNP
Okay.
The Convener: Lab
I thank everyone for their contributions.
Meeting suspended.
On resuming—